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Title: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: TheOrcCorp on September 17, 2019, 05:24:06 AM
Okay so this idea is the most experimental and if it went live wouldn't start until 2020. I was inspired by how the Roblox robot events were run and I did briefly talk with Sevalent about this a while ago.

The RA2 2020 TOURNAMENT SEASON (name WIP)
- To try and encourage people to host/take part in tournaments, this Season would be a topic of some sort showing a list/calender of official tournaments.
- Hosts would have to sign their tournament up to be added to the official list/calender. New/unreliable hosts would probably have to commit to finishing a tournament first before having tournaments accepted.
- Every tournament winner heads to the "End of Year Celebration" to battle it out in a fun tournament where we crown the best of the best but also celebrate a year of tournaments/GTM/RA2 etc etc. These winners will of course be seperated by their meta and weightclass.
- I'm also thinking of adding BOTM and Challenge Belt into this somehow. BOTM is a lot easier of an idea (The 11/12 BOTM winners would be voted on, robot with the most votes wins Bot Of The Year) but Challenge Belt will require some thinking.

I am more than happy to discuss this with all of you as it's a very experimental idea that would require a lot of elbow grease but could be a lot of fun. I'm hoping with this, we can get more Stock/IF tournaments and have more variety in weightclass/arena etc as I feel we've been missing that for a long time. Of course for this to work, it would require EVERYONE to work together.

Looking forward to hearing your opinions and ideas.

Cheers! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: playzooki on September 17, 2019, 06:45:06 AM
this is a sh** idea
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: superbomb122 on September 17, 2019, 07:13:26 AM
I like the idea, but I'd prefer if the top builders in each division went through into the end tourney instead of just the tournament winning bots, so we'd have builders that are incredibly consistently good, but never won a tournament.

Also would help the issue of having like 2 stock bots at the end of the year
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: TheOrcCorp on September 17, 2019, 08:57:10 AM
this is a sh** idea
Sorry to hear that, if you could give me some reasons why you think that and what you think would improve it then I'd appreciate it. :smile:
I like the idea, but I'd prefer if the top builders in each division went through into the end tourney instead of just the tournament winning bots, so we'd have builders that are incredibly consistently good, but never won a tournament.

Also would help the issue of having like 2 stock bots at the end of the year
Feel this is important to be discussed, could be a decent change if people agree. Perhaps builders who never win a tournament but come 2nd/3rd a lot could be added to the end of year tourney.

Hope to hear more feedback from everyone. It's a bit barebones atm but it's an idea we can work on together, regardless of if it goes ahead or not in the end!
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: Mystic2000 on September 17, 2019, 09:37:34 AM
only concern i got, as i pointed out on discord, is that if people don't host stock/IF-S a decent number of times the "season finale" for those metas will either be a 1v1 or straight up impossible, superbomb's idea could alleviate the problem

another take on superbomb's idea would be a "People's Champion" award, if people really think a bot that didn't win should get throught to the end stage, it could obtain this award and have a free pass to the season finale, would be handy for bots that lost to a really BS way and probably would have won the whole thing otherwise
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: Hoppin on September 17, 2019, 09:55:36 AM
I gave this some thought after talking with Orc about it.

I think it might be a good idea to have a ranking system, in which tournament placments award X amount of points, the higher you place, the better. at the end of the season, you could take the top 8/16/32 or w/e and use that as your tournament entries.

The issues I have with my current thought is maintaining the ranking system, originally I was looking at having all forum contributions awarding you points, but that was probably too much to handle
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: CodeSilver23 on September 17, 2019, 10:20:01 AM
I gave this some thought after talking with Orc about it.

I think it might be a good idea to have a ranking system, in which tournament placments award X amount of points, the higher you place, the better. at the end of the season, you could take the top 8/16/32 or w/e and use that as your tournament entries.

The issues I have with my current thought is maintaining the ranking system, originally I was looking at having all forum contributions awarding you points, but that was probably too much to handle
Will the rankings be for the builder, the bot, or both?
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: Nightraven Shade on September 17, 2019, 10:39:49 AM
Points bases on how many entries in the tournament would be a better idea, (16 entries = semi gives points, 32= quarters and so on). Then you can have a more average ranking not a case of who got lucky that particular tournament and have maybe top 14 at end of year compete with first and second getting a first round bye.

I'd be fine hosting IF tournament if people were actually interest in them but most people only play IRL and struggle to get 4 entries at times for IF.
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: Hoppin on September 17, 2019, 11:25:47 AM
I gave this some thought after talking with Orc about it.

I think it might be a good idea to have a ranking system, in which tournament placments award X amount of points, the higher you place, the better. at the end of the season, you could take the top 8/16/32 or w/e and use that as your tournament entries.

The issues I have with my current thought is maintaining the ranking system, originally I was looking at having all forum contributions awarding you points, but that was probably too much to handle
Will the rankings be for the builder, the bot, or both?

Builder
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: TheOrcCorp on September 17, 2019, 12:23:42 PM
I am liking the sounds of a points system depending on where builders placed in a tournament! Thank you Hop/Nightraven for your suggestions, think this could make it a lot better.

CHANGES LISTED IN BOLD.

The RA2 2020 TOURNAMENT SEASON (name WIP)
- To try and encourage people to host/take part in tournaments, this Season would be a topic of some sort showing a list/calender of official tournaments.
- Hosts would have to sign their tournament up to be added to the official list/calender. New/unreliable hosts would probably have to commit to finishing a tournament first before having tournaments accepted.
- Builders will get points depending on where they finish in these tournaments. Around the Top 16 or so compete to be the champion of their respective metas. (with a custom award for added "ooooooh" factor!)
- I'm also thinking of adding BOTM and Challenge Belt into this somehow. BOTM is a lot easier of an idea (The 11/12 BOTM winners would be voted on, robot with the most votes wins Bot Of The Year). Challenge Belt could be top 8 or so builders that held the belt for the longest? Still unsure for this.

Thanks for the help so far, all criticism/ideas are still welcome as this is a big idea!
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2019, 12:33:45 PM
My only issue with this is that is would further encourage people to just build tryhard gutripper VS for IRL and nothing else. Maybe keep the points system for Standard/Unrealistic tournaments only? The issue with that being that nobody plays those metas anymore.
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: Badnik96 on September 18, 2019, 12:58:12 AM
i'd be down for maintaining a rankings system like superbomb suggested. i've got experience with that sort of thing
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: CodeSilver23 on September 18, 2019, 07:39:07 AM
i'd be down for maintaining a rankings system like superbomb suggested. i've got experience with that sort of thing
Same here. I study sports statistics and analytics so this is my cup of tea (except I hate tea).
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: Koi_YTP on September 21, 2019, 09:10:34 AM
Would different build styles have their own tournaments?
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: CodeSilver23 on September 21, 2019, 11:49:25 AM
Would different build styles have their own tournaments?
I could definitely see how that could be implemented into it. Maybe have designated one-robot-type tournaments that give auto bids for the ra2 championship tournament.
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: TheOrcCorp on September 21, 2019, 11:51:43 AM
Would different build styles have their own tournaments?
You mean like metas?
i'd be down for maintaining a rankings system like superbomb suggested. i've got experience with that sort of thing
Same here. I study sports statistics and analytics so this is my cup of tea (except I hate tea).
If we go down this route then having someone/some people keep track of this would be wonderful!
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: Team Code Pinkish Red Robotics on September 21, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
i'd be down for maintaining a rankings system like superbomb suggested. i've got experience with that sort of thing
Same here. I study sports statistics and analytics so this is my cup of tea (except I hate tea).
If we go down this route then having someone/some people keep track of this would be wonderful!
Seems good, I'll keep track
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: Avalanche on October 17, 2019, 06:32:23 AM
hey gamers is this still a thing

could really be a nice shot in the arm for RA2
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: TheOrcCorp on October 17, 2019, 06:40:58 AM
hey gamers is this still a thing

could really be a nice shot in the arm for RA2
Aye, I'm still looking into this/changes to Challenge Belt: just been a very busy guy IRL.
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: Avalanche on October 17, 2019, 06:43:14 AM
nae worries

also congrats on becoming admin
Title: Re: IDEA: RA2 2020 Tournament Season
Post by: Badger on October 17, 2019, 07:18:49 AM
hey gamers is this still a thing

could really be a nice shot in the arm for RA2
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