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Robot Arena => Modifications => Topic started by: Jaydee99 on September 22, 2018, 12:24:27 PM

Title: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Jaydee99 on September 22, 2018, 12:24:27 PM
Just had a small probably stupid idea
Should I combine almost every single modpack released on gtm?
This includes stock, DSL2.1, DSL2.2, Ironforge, Starcore, Gigafrost, Official Robot Wars, other robot wars and roaming robots mods, Live Designs, and any others I can find.


It'll take a long time to be made, but if it is who would be interested?
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2018, 12:32:07 PM
"Should I combine Fish and Chips, Chicken Chow Mein, Yoghurt, Cheerios, Oxtail Soup and a Hot Dog?"

No. They do not work together.
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Dark-Al on September 22, 2018, 12:38:11 PM
Just had a small probably stupid idea
Should I combine almost every single modpack released on gtm?
This includes stock, DSL2.1, DSL2.2, Ironforge, Starcore, Gigafrost, Official Robot Wars, other robot wars and roaming robots mods, Live Designs, and any others I can find.


It'll take a long time to be made, but if it is who would be interested?
This idea has been already done by Asbees for his Evento Uno mod. But then again, said mod is notoriously broken possibly due to him being too lazy to modify numerous components for balancing reasons including the Stock and Ironforge components. For the former being broken already and the later for not adjusting each component's weight to match up to the old weight system instead of the Ironforge weight system.   

Just to put it in short: If you ever want combine every mod into Robot Arena 2, just be prepared to modify most component's stats for the sake of balance.
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Jaydee99 on September 22, 2018, 12:39:49 PM
"Should I combine Fish and Chips, Chicken Chow Mein, Yoghurt, Cheerios, Oxtail Soup and a Hot Dog?"

No. They do not work together.
Cheers, thanks for that.


Obviously I'd make sure they physically worked, the mix of IRL and standard may not work well together.


Just had a small probably stupid idea
Should I combine almost every single modpack released on gtm?
This includes stock, DSL2.1, DSL2.2, Ironforge, Starcore, Gigafrost, Official Robot Wars, other robot wars and roaming robots mods, Live Designs, and any others I can find.


It'll take a long time to be made, but if it is who would be interested?
This idea has been already done by Asbees for his Evento Uno mod. But then again, said mod is notoriously broken possibly due to him being too lazy to modify numerous components for balancing reasons including the Stock and Ironforge components. For the former being broken already and the later for not adjusting each component's weight to match up to the old weight system instead of the Ironforge weight system.   

Just to put it in short: If you ever want combine every mod into Robot Arena 2, just be prepared to modify most component's stats for the sake of balance.
I've done this already (working on SRAI sorry to bring it up again) so I'm willing to do it again
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2018, 12:49:04 PM
Of course you can make it not crash, just like you can blend all those foods together and it won't poison you. There's still no point to it because they don't compliment each other, in fact they make each other worse when combined.
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Jaydee99 on September 22, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
This wouldn't be about them complimenting each other, more of a compilation of mods over the years
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Reier on September 22, 2018, 01:25:22 PM
i don't get the point. it won't be fun at all.

nothing would be balanced, IF parts are like a million times stronger and tougher than stock parts while being lighter. not to mention some parts would overwrite others like the 2.1/2.2 weapons and stuff, and neither are balanced the same so what gets overwritten anyway?

while theoretically you could, you probably shouldn't. it would be a huge mess and not enjoyable to play at all.
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Hoppin on September 22, 2018, 01:26:49 PM
> adding 2.1

Why?
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2018, 01:27:23 PM
Alright how about this:
1) You make this frankenmod
2) Nobody downloads it
3) I'm right about nobody wanting it
Everybody wins, you get to make your compilation and I get to be smug :>
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Jaydee99 on September 23, 2018, 03:48:05 PM
Rethinking after going through some ai files today, putting everything in one isn't a great idea, what about an irl ai combining replicas and irl designs together, would that be a decent ai pack?
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2018, 03:52:15 PM
If you mean replicas from RWRA2, no because the reps will just sh** on anything made with DSL components, and vice versa. If you mean just a ton of DSL-IRL bots then I guess that could work but I don't think people would look too kindly on you ramming a bunch of other people's sh** in a pack without asking permission (which I assume you had no plans on doing).
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Jaydee99 on September 05, 2019, 04:01:04 AM
It's been a while fellas


Started working on this properly, I'm just combining replicas from different mods over time.
Robots I'm using:
Resetti's Replicas AI
Alphasim's RWAI
Alphasim's RWRA2
WhamettNuht's Roaming Robots AI
WhamettNuht's RW2013 AI
RWRA2
DSL2

If I get permission to release this from the original builders, would anyone be interested in downloading this? What other mods could I combine?

This is just a work in progress so far
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Yoloskater224 on September 05, 2019, 10:51:19 AM
It's been a while fellas


Started working on this properly, I'm just combining replicas from different mods over time.
Robots I'm using:
Resetti's Replicas AI
Alphasim's RWAI
Alphasim's RWRA2
WhamettNuht's Roaming Robots AI
WhamettNuht's RW2013 AI
RWRA2
DSL2

If I get permission to release this from the original builders, would anyone be interested in downloading this? What other mods could I combine?

This is just a work in progress so far

Oh man! This would be so damn epic. That is a f*** ton of robots though so good luck with making it!
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: SagarisRA2 on September 05, 2019, 03:44:32 PM
This is something I worked on between 2015-2017 before I was building DSL IRL. This was great for replicas due to the increased parts and easy building because of the amount of motor options so you can just find what fits. However, earlier in the year I added Resetti's mod and that made all my folders a complete mess of components and made it overkill.

So if you want to add all of them yourself, it works but just be prepared to spend a while dragging and dropping components.
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Jaydee99 on September 05, 2019, 03:48:10 PM
That's what I'm doing lol
What replicas did you use?
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: kix on September 05, 2019, 03:59:53 PM
Stop what youre doing and think about why this will not work
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Jaydee99 on September 05, 2019, 05:37:35 PM
Stop what youre doing and think about why this will not work


Explain why not, apart from some replicas being made better than others
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: 09090901 on September 05, 2019, 06:20:05 PM
i can see people mistakenly downloading this instead of the DSL complete edition and causing a sh** ton of compatibility problems
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Jaydee99 on September 05, 2019, 06:53:58 PM
It'll have a different name, something with "Replicas" in the title
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2019, 11:17:34 PM
Stop what youre doing and think about why this will not work


Explain why not, apart from some replicas being made better than others
my guy, did you not read a single one of the replies to this thread?
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: kix on September 05, 2019, 11:30:47 PM
Stop what youre doing and think about why this will not work


Explain why not, apart from some replicas being made better than others

A: Stuff is not gonna be balanced. IF stuff is balanced to its 400kg max weightclass, and stock is just stock. Also 2.1 bots that primarily used 2.1 parts wont work well with 2.2 nerfed parts

B: Stuff is gonna get overwritten and there will be more clutter

Im pretty sure asbestosstar did the same thing and literally noone is using it
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: [cringey name goes here] on September 06, 2019, 05:43:02 AM
I really don’t need to clog up my computer with a mod I won’t use, thank you very much.
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Jaydee99 on September 06, 2019, 06:40:59 AM
Stop what youre doing and think about why this will not work


Explain why not, apart from some replicas being made better than others

A: Stuff is not gonna be balanced. IF stuff is balanced to its 400kg max weightclass, and stock is just stock. Also 2.1 bots that primarily used 2.1 parts wont work well with 2.2 nerfed parts

B: Stuff is gonna get overwritten and there will be more clutter

Im pretty sure asbestosstar did the same thing and literally noone is using it


A: I dont think I explained it well enough, this is just replicas only, unless replica mods have been made with IF then that won't be a problem

B: That's what I'm working on. I'm separating the components for individual bots so nothing is overwritten

I'm not even answering that last comment from cringe
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: kix on September 06, 2019, 08:25:14 AM
A: I dont think I explained it well enough, this is just replicas only, unless replica mods have been made with IF then that won't be a problem
The Problem is that Ressetti' s bots would get destroyed by RWRA2 ones
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Jaydee99 on September 06, 2019, 10:29:21 AM
Hardly a problem as there are plenty of other replicas is the mod
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: [cringey name goes here] on September 06, 2019, 02:44:53 PM
Hardly a problem as there are plenty of other replicas is the mod
But then what’s the point?
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Jaydee99 on September 06, 2019, 03:16:24 PM
The replicas are vastly different
Pit them all together
Fun
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Reier on September 08, 2019, 01:57:27 AM
:popcorn
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: SagarisRA2 on September 09, 2019, 10:29:37 AM
This would be fun for a version of RA2 purely to make replicas as it's near impossible to make robots such as Apollo or Eruption without doubling on the bursts and flippers, but in order for me to download it or make it appealing the components would have to be organised and not scattered all over the place with blank previews.

If you can manage to make this mod neatly then sure I will give it a go.
Title: Re: IDEA: Everything mod?
Post by: Jaydee99 on September 09, 2019, 06:07:01 PM
Aye I'm working on that :)