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Badger does Ironforge (ex-TRB)
« on: November 13, 2015, 12:19:53 PM »



Jesus it's been years since I touched RA2. Does this count as IRL? Are the batteries under/overkill? Sickles don't do much damage but whatever it looks cool so I'm keeping it. Maybe I should reverse them so the edge is on the outside. Now I'm just rambling.

Thoughts/improvements?
« Last Edit: March 05, 2016, 06:01:06 PM by Badger »
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2015, 12:42:17 PM »
Just a few quick and very uncomprehensive words before I go to bed

IF weapons have normal where they should have normal, so for sickles that's on the brighter edge. I'd recommend crushing teeth.
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2015, 12:43:32 PM »
Just a few quick and very uncomprehensive words before I go to bed

IF weapons have normal where they should have normal, so for sickles that's on the brighter edge. I'd recommend crushing teeth.

Yeah the sickles have normals on the inside edge and the point. Shame, since I think the disk setup looks pretty cool as-is =/

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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2015, 01:26:30 PM »
Honestly, I like the disc, even if it's not very effective.  My two gripes are the wedges and side armor plates.  The wedges  seem a bit tryhard and look a little frail IRL, and the armor plates on the sides make it look pointy and I'm not a huge fan of it.

Looks good otherwise.

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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2015, 01:34:17 PM »
Honestly, I like the disc, even if it's not very effective.  My two gripes are the wedges and side armor plates.  The wedges  seem a bit tryhard and look a little frail IRL, and the armor plates on the sides make it look pointy and I'm not a huge fan of it.

Looks good otherwise.
Yeah the wedges are pretty tryhard, I'll see what I can do about it.

Are there any other decent IRL Ironforge showcases I can look at to gauge what is acceptable?

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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2015, 04:32:08 PM »
What the? I already have an ironforge showca- OOOOOOH, it's just a badger. Thought somebody was kind enough to finally make that clone of me. I mean, I have paid several million pounds for it to be complete- I mean...

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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2015, 10:59:33 AM »
DSL-Standard gutripper thing. Gets destroyed in fights by bots that just push it away (pokers, sns, HS), not very effective, but oh well. At least the wedges are really good.





Still not sure what batteries to use and how many
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2015, 11:28:02 AM »
This bot does not have enough battery power. It has four spin motors, meaning it draws 40 amps. A single car battery, while superior in terms of power per amp, only provides 20 amps--not enough to fully power this bot. Instead, replace it with two lantern batteries and one small battery, which amounts to 40 amps. This may or may not free up a few kilograms to use a stronger armor than Al3.
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2015, 11:28:53 AM »
Batteries are all balanced. Use what you need to get the required amps.
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2015, 12:44:02 PM »
This bot does not have enough battery power. It has four spin motors, meaning it draws 40 amps. A single car battery, while superior in terms of power per amp, only provides 20 amps--not enough to fully power this bot. Instead, replace it with two lantern batteries and one small battery, which amounts to 40 amps. This may or may not free up a few kilograms to use a stronger armor than Al3.

Batteries are all balanced. Use what you need to get the required amps.

Thanks guys, is there a table of all the batteries and their stats or do I have to dive into the game files?

edit: They're in the item descriptions, derp.
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2015, 12:52:34 PM »
Was making a poker, couldn't find a good place to put the piston, made this instead. Wedges are meh, but it deals with HS MUCH better, and has an overall better time getting under most things.


Are there any AI packs for Ironforge, or is it just the default bots for now? What are the best bots to test against?
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2015, 01:01:46 PM »
Check out Reforged. Community AI for Ironforge put together by RedAce, recreating the stock teams in Ironforge (efficiently, of course).
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2015, 01:05:30 PM »
Normals from the axes might make this bot meh, but it's an interesting concept nonetheless.

Are there any AI packs for Ironforge, or is it just the default bots for now? What are the best bots to test against?

Currently at this time, there's two released.  ReAI made by Reier, which is more of an expansion pack with six new teams, and ReForged, made by yours truly, which is an entire AI pack with the bots inspired by the stock AI.  Both of them are made as Standard style bots which is I believe what your looking for.

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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2015, 01:12:13 PM »
Thanks for the info! I was experimenting with weapons but I couldn't really find any that fit well. Ironforge really needs some more weapon choices! Razors stuck out too much and got taken out by HSs in 30ish seconds, the knife blades didn't have enough reach, the sickles could've worked well but I think their normals would've rendered them inefficient, and I didn't want to use beater bars. I settled on battleaxes, firstly because you don't see them that often, especially on bots like that, and they are tall enough to reach bots on the top of the plows, but small enough to allow them to climb up the plows. I'll have another fiddle with sickles and beater bars to see if I can get a better configuration going.
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2015, 01:18:01 PM »
Ironforge really needs some more weapon choices!

Nah. I don't think you quite got the point of Ironforge.
It's hyper balanced and there is 1 component for every sort of use. I wrote up a small tutorial which I need to build on really here.
It's more the Stock way of doing things rather than DSL's floods of components.
Razors or Beaters would be best here I think.
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2015, 01:19:01 PM »
On your first one I think you can get away with smaller weapon motors like yellow zteks. On both your main problem is that the weapons you've chosen have normals which means they only do damage on the sharp edge, if you orient them in better ways it'll improve your bot a lot
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2015, 01:33:37 PM »
Ironforge really needs some more weapon choices!

Nah. I don't think you quite got the point of Ironforge.
It's hyper balanced and there is 1 component for every sort of use. I wrote up a small tutorial which I need to build on really here.
It's more the Stock way of doing things rather than DSL's floods of components.
Razors or Beaters would be best here I think.
Ah, I see. I miss having bear claws, spike strips and axes to use, but I understand the design choice now.

On your first one I think you can get away with smaller weapon motors like yellow zteks. On both your main problem is that the weapons you've chosen have normals which means they only do damage on the sharp edge, if you orient them in better ways it'll improve your bot a lot
I didn't realize there was smaller motors! I assumed the z-tecs would be the same size as in stock. I thought the firebird was a bit overkill even on it's own.

Update:

The yellow z-tec provides plenty of power and it does a lot more damage now. Thoughts?
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2015, 02:02:41 PM »
Thoughts?

It's a good setup, but I prefer to use this:



That's a 10cm Dark Extender, with all the attachment points having a razor on them. You can remove the razor sticking out of the top if you want it to be used sort of like a ramp, like so:



I really like the armaments on your robot, though. I'mma go mess around with your setup,see what I can get going. How did you attach the plows?


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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2015, 02:14:13 PM »
I actually tried something like that, only with the penta-connector. The side razors were too low to hit anything and the one on top got wiped out really quickly by HSs. The FS you posted is awesome though, if the bottom one a HW?

Anyways, this is how I connected the plows:


An upside-down 65 degree baseplate connector to a 20cm connector, 1 rotation tick to the inside to the plows, which are slightly angled.
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Re: TRB does ironforge (The other TRB)
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2015, 03:44:10 PM »
I actually tried something like that, only with the penta-connector. The side razors were too low to hit anything and the one on top got wiped out really quickly by HSs. The FS you posted is awesome though, if the bottom one a HW?

Yeah - an unshowcased one, I might add. I should probably show that off... Just testing out an evolution of it right now, actually  :gawe:

Anyways, this is how I connected the plows:


An upside-down 65 degree baseplate connector to a 20cm connector, 1 rotation tick to the inside to the plows, which are slightly angled.

Oh, I did something different. I attached it to a skirt hinge, and then angled the skirt hinge to where it needed to be. Your way's more weight-efficient, though.


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