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Title: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 25, 2016, 08:10:00 PM
Hello and welcome to the thread where I make terrible bots for you to point and laugh at  :dumb)
although it may change over time. who knows.


(http://s23.postimg.org/jxwql17bf/Untitled.png)
So, this is the first machine I have for you, a gambit at as flipper. iiiiiiit's weaksauce. Can't outwedge freakin' anything (DSL doesn't have flippers *sadface*) and I can't seem to find a viable alternative. It could probably be lightweight but I really don't know much about this game so there we have it thus far.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Mayhemist on February 25, 2016, 08:35:26 PM
Is there An In game Screenshot or did you use a different program for the photo there?
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Gauche Suede on February 25, 2016, 08:41:42 PM
Quote from: Mayhemist on February 25, 2016, 08:35:26 PM
Is there An In game Screenshot or did you use a different program for the photo there?
Press f8 to take a screenshot in-game (and press f12 to see the hitbox of items, useful to see if a hitbox of an item gets glitched out and is actively ruining your bot)
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 25, 2016, 08:42:24 PM
Quote from: Mayhemist on February 25, 2016, 08:35:26 PM
Is there An In game Screenshot or did you use a different program for the photo there?
I took a screenshot, pasted into paint.net, uploaded it onto an image host then pasted it here
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Reier on February 25, 2016, 08:52:10 PM
@gauche its F11 not F8 and it saves it as a .bmp into the screenshot folder
also GTM has its own image host right on the new post page which is very convenient

are you using DSL 2.1 or 2.2?
First off your robot is very light for a MW. Either try to shave some off and make it a LW or beef it up to a MW. If you're making a flipper you also need to have an actual wedge (so like a skirt hinge) because just using the chassis as a wedge in RA2 doesn't work very good. I'd also make it a lot faster and more durable if I were you.

Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 25, 2016, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: Reier on February 25, 2016, 08:52:10 PM
@gauche its F11 not F8 and it saves it as a .bmp into the screenshot folder
also GTM has its own image host right on the new post page which is very convenient

are you using DSL 2.1 or 2.2?
First off your robot is very light for a MW. Either try to shave some off and make it a LW or beef it up to a MW. If you're making a flipper you also need to have an actual wedge (so like a skirt hinge) because just using the chassis as a wedge in RA2 doesn't work very good. I'd also make it a lot faster and more durable if I were you.
I'll stick some more powerful drive motors and a skirt hinge on it then. And i'm fairly sure it's 2.2.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 09:38:27 AM
Alright, so after some adjustments, here's what I have now:

(http://s16.postimg.org/hnixz82qd/image.png)

Considering adding a few more ant bats, but not sure.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Badger on February 26, 2016, 09:56:22 AM
You should always build to the weight limit. In this case, middleweights are 400.

In general you should only use ant batteries. 2.5 for each of those BSG burst motors, 1 for each spin motor. So that's 7 ant batteries for your bot, you can delete the long batteries.

Those polycarbonate extenders are VERY weak, it would be wise to replace them with steel extenders or a chain of flippermakers, since they will be exposed so often.

For standard NPC motors (your drive motors, not the left or right variants) the most used wheels are techno destructo wheels, you should use them instead.

If you're going for an IRL style (a bot to look like a real-life bot rather than one built for effectiveness), some wheelguards would look nice as well, which would eat up some remaining weight =]
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 10:19:11 AM
(http://s21.postimg.org/wzm249rw7/image.png)
7 ant bats, TD wheels and steel extenders. It's starting to look a lot better.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Gauche Suede on February 26, 2016, 11:05:33 AM
Quote from: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 10:19:11 AM
(http://s21.postimg.org/wzm249rw7/image.png)
7 ant bats, TD wheels and steel extenders. It's starting to look a lot better.
More of a nitpick but can you use the reverse version for one of the BSGs so that it's symetrical and creates a wider flipping base ?
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 11:10:32 AM
Quote from: Gauche Suede on February 26, 2016, 11:05:33 AM
Quote from: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 10:19:11 AM
(http://s21.postimg.org/wzm249rw7/image.png)
7 ant bats, TD wheels and steel extenders. It's starting to look a lot better.
More of a nitpick but can you use the reverse version for one of the BSGs so that it's symetrical and creates a wider flipping base ?
I don't think it would fit properly
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on February 26, 2016, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 11:10:32 AM
Quote from: Gauche Suede on February 26, 2016, 11:05:33 AM
Quote from: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 10:19:11 AM
(http://s21.postimg.org/wzm249rw7/image.png)
7 ant bats, TD wheels and steel extenders. It's starting to look a lot better.
More of a nitpick but can you use the reverse version for one of the BSGs so that it's symetrical and creates a wider flipping base ?
I don't think it would fit properly
I don't know what you're thinking here because I'm pretty sure the rest of the bot is symmetrical so it would work.
In other news you should be able to have 4 BSGs on a MW flipper.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 11:20:49 AM
i'll try the reverse burst motor but 4 of them kinda sounds like a stretch
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 11:26:50 AM
(http://s11.postimg.org/53eat0dab/gtr.png)
Now with reversed burst motor, but there's no space in the chassis for any more of them.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Naryar on February 26, 2016, 11:32:07 AM
that's not enough flipping power. Add another bsg, or even two others.

Also you need to put the bsg's higher so they actually flip stuff better. If you put them outside on multiextenders/baseplate anchors it's fine due to their high hp.

Unless you want to build IRL but at that point the most important thing is learning how to build good bots. IRL/Standard choice can come later.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on February 26, 2016, 11:36:16 AM
Quote from: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 11:26:50 AM
(http://s11.postimg.org/53eat0dab/gtr.png)
Now with reversed burst motor, but there's no space in the chassis for any more of them.
Never be afraid to rebuild a chassis. Don't build a nice shape and just see what fits.
I believe the quote was ''fit the chassis to the components, not the components to the chassis.''
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 11:54:47 AM
Quote from: Squirrel_Monkey on February 26, 2016, 11:36:16 AM
Quote from: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 11:26:50 AM
(http://s11.postimg.org/53eat0dab/gtr.png)
Now with reversed burst motor, but there's no space in the chassis for any more of them.
Never be afraid to rebuild a chassis. Don't build a nice shape and just see what fits.
I believe the quote was ''fit the chassis to the components, not the components to the chassis.''
Well, I can't move the BSGs any higher so looks like i'm gonna have to rebuild the whole damned thing.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Mr. AS on February 26, 2016, 11:57:52 AM
The reason why your BSGs can't flip anything is because the flipper is too long and doesn't have any leverage.

You can get the BSGs higher if you attach them outside of your chassis with multiextenders.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on February 26, 2016, 12:13:42 PM
This my most 'optimised' MW flipper that uses BSGs.
It has a chassis just big enough for batteries and multi-extenders.
BSGs are attached higher up for better leverage.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Badger on February 26, 2016, 12:20:59 PM
SM's bot would be a good guide for you. Note:

How the chassis is as small as possible for the components, as larger chassis weight more, which is undesirable

The wedges are held on my metal hinges. I think you can use skirt hinges instead if you want, if you only use the centre attachment point.

The hypno wheels are the best wheels for NPC right/left motors. We usually use the fast variants of NPCs, as they are significantly better motors for only 5kg more weight.

Not sure if you know about DSA, but it's the default armour your bot gets when you don't open the armour tab. In DSL it is very weak and heavy, so we always change it to a different armour type. We usually build our bot first, then select the strongest armour that makes the bot fit within the weight limit.

The bot is barely under the weight limit. If your bot is 20kg below the weight limit, that's 20kg that could be spend on armour, weapons or other cool things.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Gauche Suede on February 26, 2016, 12:26:22 PM
Oh, and if you're confused about the stats of items, just know that :

Grip : The speed multiplier a wheel gives to a motor, the higher the grip the faster the bot will go.
Fracture : The amount of damage it takes for said item to get knocked-off after it has lost all of it's HP.
Concussion : The damage multiplier of weapons when hitting other components.
Piercing : The damage multiplier of weapons when hitting chassis.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: madman3 on February 26, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
it's worth noting that 1 battlepack powers 1 bsg so it can be more weight efficient to use those over ant batteries if you have the space since they're lighter than the equivalent number of ants
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 12:29:16 PM
Alright, time for some redesigning. I'll work on it and be back when I have something worth showing.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Naryar on February 26, 2016, 12:29:41 PM
Quote from: madman3 on February 26, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
it's worth noting that 1 battlepack powers 1 bsg so it can be more weight efficient to use those over ant batteries if you have the space since they're lighter than the equivalent number of ants

not enough electotal tho, unless he's building in DSL 2.2
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: madman3 on February 26, 2016, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: Naryar on February 26, 2016, 12:29:41 PM
Quote from: madman3 on February 26, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
it's worth noting that 1 battlepack powers 1 bsg so it can be more weight efficient to use those over ant batteries if you have the space since they're lighter than the equivalent number of ants

not enough electotal tho, unless he's building in DSL 2.2
hmmm fair, forgot about that.

i should probably know more about this given my top player status  :cool: :cool: :cool:
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Naryar on February 26, 2016, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: madman3 on February 26, 2016, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: Naryar on February 26, 2016, 12:29:41 PM
Quote from: madman3 on February 26, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
it's worth noting that 1 battlepack powers 1 bsg so it can be more weight efficient to use those over ant batteries if you have the space since they're lighter than the equivalent number of ants

not enough electotal tho, unless he's building in DSL 2.2
hmmm fair, forgot about that.

i should probably know more about this given my top player status  :cool: :cool: :cool:

the ignorance is strong in this one  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: madman3 on February 26, 2016, 05:54:05 PM
Quote from: Naryar on February 26, 2016, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: madman3 on February 26, 2016, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: Naryar on February 26, 2016, 12:29:41 PM
Quote from: madman3 on February 26, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
it's worth noting that 1 battlepack powers 1 bsg so it can be more weight efficient to use those over ant batteries if you have the space since they're lighter than the equivalent number of ants

not enough electotal tho, unless he's building in DSL 2.2
hmmm fair, forgot about that.

i should probably know more about this given my top player status  :cool: :cool: :cool:

the ignorance is strong in this one  :rolleyes:
m8 let's fite

anyway i'm used to using bsgs on popups where matches last barely any time anyway
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 26, 2016, 06:12:14 PM
...guys, let's not fight.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 28, 2016, 01:46:28 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/72381gw.png)

Alright, I finally got around to doing some more work on this. The NPCs and TD wheels make it fast to the point of being slippery. Maybe I could make a piston rammer at some point using this knowledge.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Reier on February 28, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
getting there bud! fast flippers are generally better in RA2. but I still agree with the others, you need another burst and you gotta fill up that 30kg you have left over. MW weight limit is 399, anything less than like 396 is not good. Think of it like you can use that weight to add another armor panel or something. a robot with 5 panels is better than one with 4.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 28, 2016, 02:05:10 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/48029df.png)
didn't think I could do it, but after some faffing around with the other components, I got another burst in there, but I can only fit 5 ants without tipping the scales.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Naryar on February 28, 2016, 02:40:32 PM
those bsg's still need to be higher up if you want decent flipping power. otherwise not bad.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Reier on February 28, 2016, 02:43:56 PM
I'd downgrade some of the steel extenders/skirts and get more batteries in, you're pretty underpowered at the moment
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 28, 2016, 03:06:18 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/87013op7.png)
Changed the extenders and skirts to aluminium, tried moving the bursts higher but it won't let me, no matter how much faffing, dickery and screwing around I do. Yes the battery placement is rather haphazard, but space isn't easy to manage in this case.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Reier on February 28, 2016, 03:10:36 PM
never be afraid to rebuild your chassis. when they talk about raising the bursts, they likely mean something like this:

you're on the right track though. if you ever get tired of messing with one robot, you can always build another and come back to it  :gawe:
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 28, 2016, 03:12:21 PM
Ah, I see. Right, time for some more faffing and dickery.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on February 28, 2016, 03:23:37 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/88231op8.png)
Redone the interior, skirts i'm using for flipeprs wouldn't attach directly to the bursts, so I put them on polycarb extenders, also has 8 ants.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Badger on February 28, 2016, 03:26:20 PM
needs about 10 ants I think. You can use the shortest multiextenders and use ctrl to move them to the top of the bot, saving weight. Oh, and longer wedges are better wedges.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on February 28, 2016, 05:12:10 PM
Yeah, your wedges are kinda pointless at the moment as they are short that the flipper.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on July 06, 2019, 01:20:11 PM
good news everyone, a new futile attempt at DSL. this time a probably mediocre lightweight, at the weight limit (I think).

(https://i.postimg.cc/hjsQwXqL/frostbite.png)
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: F1Krazy on July 06, 2019, 01:45:34 PM
That sure is a penis

Which meta are you aiming for? DSL-S or DSL-IRL? It doesn't really look powerful enough for either atm, but knowing what you're after will help us shape our advice.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on July 06, 2019, 01:52:57 PM
now that you mention it, I think I was subconciously going for a more IRL design. it's a bit crap now, I admit but maybe with some help that can be fixed?
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: F1Krazy on July 06, 2019, 02:15:14 PM
My main concern are the big, exposed sides. The IRL LW meta is crammed with overhead spinners, and while a full-force ram from something like this would definitely de-stabilise them, if you miss then you're gonna get an almighty whack right on your chassis. So I'd say shrink the chassis down, swap the ant batteries for a single red or black battery, and use the spare weight to increase your chassis armour.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: kix on July 06, 2019, 03:18:50 PM
Big dick meta is great. You gotta face that people. IF ITS PINK TOO I SWEAR TO GOD

Wheels being exposed, isnt the best thing, but im sure it will be easily covered
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on July 06, 2019, 04:30:30 PM
alright, round 2. shortened it, swapped in a black batt and used lighter wheels. armour is Alu 5. Also, it's name is frostbite.

(https://i.postimg.cc/FsxTtd87/frostbite.png)
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on July 07, 2019, 01:10:39 PM
oh and here's the external view for those curious. I thought I could try and make white look somewhat good?
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fd9tDDt/frostbitepaint.png)
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on July 12, 2019, 02:54:43 PM
Good news everyone, i've cobbled together a contraption which no doubt may look cool but couldn't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag. meet Crown Of Thorns. Lotsa razors.

(https://i.postimg.cc/c15NJGPp/crown.png)
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: TheRoboteer on July 12, 2019, 03:12:43 PM
Quote from: Stigma on July 12, 2019, 02:54:43 PM
Good news everyone, i've cobbled together a contraption which no doubt may look cool but couldn't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag. meet Crown Of Thorns. Lotsa razors.

(https://i.postimg.cc/c15NJGPp/crown.png)
Again, this looks extremely DSL-S. Razors look terrible so nobody uses them in IRL
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on July 12, 2019, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: TheRoboteer on July 12, 2019, 03:12:43 PM
Quote from: Stigma on July 12, 2019, 02:54:43 PM
Good news everyone, i've cobbled together a contraption which no doubt may look cool but couldn't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag. meet Crown Of Thorns. Lotsa razors.

(https://i.postimg.cc/c15NJGPp/crown.png)
Again, this looks extremely DSL-S. Razors look terrible so nobody uses them in IRL
it's DSL-S then. I was more trying to make something that'd be decent in combat than something that's aesthetically pleasing. if the disc can get a good bite then it performs rather well.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: kix on July 12, 2019, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: TheRoboteer on July 12, 2019, 03:12:43 PM
Quote from: Stigma on July 12, 2019, 02:54:43 PM
Good news everyone, i've cobbled together a contraption which no doubt may look cool but couldn't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag. meet Crown Of Thorns. Lotsa razors.

(https://i.postimg.cc/c15NJGPp/crown.png)
this looks extremely DSL-S
Maybe thats whats he going for

Oof he was faster
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: TheRoboteer on July 12, 2019, 03:19:51 PM
Quote from: kix on July 12, 2019, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: TheRoboteer on July 12, 2019, 03:12:43 PM
Quote from: Stigma on July 12, 2019, 02:54:43 PM
Good news everyone, i've cobbled together a contraption which no doubt may look cool but couldn't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag. meet Crown Of Thorns. Lotsa razors.

(https://i.postimg.cc/c15NJGPp/crown.png)
this looks extremely DSL-S
Maybe thats whats he going for

Oof he was faster
I was going off this post he made earlier

Quote from: Stigma on July 06, 2019, 01:52:57 PM
now that you mention it, I think I was subconciously going for a more IRL design. it's a bit crap now, I admit but maybe with some help that can be fixed?
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on July 12, 2019, 03:22:54 PM
Quote from: TheRoboteer on July 12, 2019, 03:19:51 PM
Quote from: kix on July 12, 2019, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: TheRoboteer on July 12, 2019, 03:12:43 PM
Quote from: Stigma on July 12, 2019, 02:54:43 PM
Good news everyone, i've cobbled together a contraption which no doubt may look cool but couldn't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag. meet Crown Of Thorns. Lotsa razors.

(https://i.postimg.cc/c15NJGPp/crown.png)
this looks extremely DSL-S
Maybe thats whats he going for

Oof he was faster
I was going off this post he made earlier

Quote from: Stigma on July 06, 2019, 01:52:57 PM
now that you mention it, I think I was subconciously going for a more IRL design. it's a bit crap now, I admit but maybe with some help that can be fixed?
that was more talking about the previous lightweight design, which was about as dangerous an an angry gerbil
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: SteveM4 on July 12, 2019, 04:41:17 PM
I am feeling a strong 2011 meta right now. I dig it.
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Dreamcast on July 17, 2019, 05:14:41 PM
What 2011 is that from?
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on July 18, 2019, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: Dreamcast on July 17, 2019, 05:14:41 PM
What 2011 is that from?
What year would you pin it at? (If possible, I don't know much about the evolution of the meta)
Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Dreamcast on July 26, 2019, 11:13:10 PM
Mid 2000s maybe

Title: Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
Post by: Stigma on May 17, 2021, 12:14:19 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yw8HMK7/metalhead.png)
And the latest creation, metalhead. those wedges actually do something, the idea being to get under, and push an opponent around while cutting them up. took some experimentation with hinges to get right.
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