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Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« on: February 25, 2016, 08:10:00 PM »
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So, this is the first machine I have for you, a gambit at as flipper. iiiiiiit's weaksauce. Can't outwedge freakin' anything (DSL doesn't have flippers *sadface*) and I can't seem to find a viable alternative. It could probably be lightweight but I really don't know much about this game so there we have it thus far.

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2016, 08:35:26 PM »
Is there An In game Screenshot or did you use a different program for the photo there?

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2016, 08:41:42 PM »
Is there An In game Screenshot or did you use a different program for the photo there?
Press f8 to take a screenshot in-game (and press f12 to see the hitbox of items, useful to see if a hitbox of an item gets glitched out and is actively ruining your bot)

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2016, 08:42:24 PM »
Is there An In game Screenshot or did you use a different program for the photo there?
I took a screenshot, pasted into paint.net, uploaded it onto an image host then pasted it here

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2016, 08:52:10 PM »
@gauche its F11 not F8 and it saves it as a .bmp into the screenshot folder
also GTM has its own image host right on the new post page which is very convenient

are you using DSL 2.1 or 2.2?
First off your robot is very light for a MW. Either try to shave some off and make it a LW or beef it up to a MW. If you're making a flipper you also need to have an actual wedge (so like a skirt hinge) because just using the chassis as a wedge in RA2 doesn't work very good. I'd also make it a lot faster and more durable if I were you.

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2016, 08:55:06 PM »
@gauche its F11 not F8 and it saves it as a .bmp into the screenshot folder
also GTM has its own image host right on the new post page which is very convenient

are you using DSL 2.1 or 2.2?
First off your robot is very light for a MW. Either try to shave some off and make it a LW or beef it up to a MW. If you're making a flipper you also need to have an actual wedge (so like a skirt hinge) because just using the chassis as a wedge in RA2 doesn't work very good. I'd also make it a lot faster and more durable if I were you.
I'll stick some more powerful drive motors and a skirt hinge on it then. And i'm fairly sure it's 2.2.

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2016, 09:38:27 AM »
Alright, so after some adjustments, here's what I have now:



Considering adding a few more ant bats, but not sure.

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2016, 09:56:22 AM »
You should always build to the weight limit. In this case, middleweights are 400.

In general you should only use ant batteries. 2.5 for each of those BSG burst motors, 1 for each spin motor. So that's 7 ant batteries for your bot, you can delete the long batteries.

Those polycarbonate extenders are VERY weak, it would be wise to replace them with steel extenders or a chain of flippermakers, since they will be exposed so often.

For standard NPC motors (your drive motors, not the left or right variants) the most used wheels are techno destructo wheels, you should use them instead.

If you're going for an IRL style (a bot to look like a real-life bot rather than one built for effectiveness), some wheelguards would look nice as well, which would eat up some remaining weight =]
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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2016, 10:19:11 AM »

7 ant bats, TD wheels and steel extenders. It's starting to look a lot better.

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2016, 11:05:33 AM »
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7 ant bats, TD wheels and steel extenders. It's starting to look a lot better.
More of a nitpick but can you use the reverse version for one of the BSGs so that it's symetrical and creates a wider flipping base ?

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2016, 11:10:32 AM »
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7 ant bats, TD wheels and steel extenders. It's starting to look a lot better.
More of a nitpick but can you use the reverse version for one of the BSGs so that it's symetrical and creates a wider flipping base ?
I don't think it would fit properly

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2016, 11:19:25 AM »
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7 ant bats, TD wheels and steel extenders. It's starting to look a lot better.
More of a nitpick but can you use the reverse version for one of the BSGs so that it's symetrical and creates a wider flipping base ?
I don't think it would fit properly
I don't know what you're thinking here because I'm pretty sure the rest of the bot is symmetrical so it would work.
In other news you should be able to have 4 BSGs on a MW flipper.
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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2016, 11:20:49 AM »
i'll try the reverse burst motor but 4 of them kinda sounds like a stretch

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2016, 11:26:50 AM »

Now with reversed burst motor, but there's no space in the chassis for any more of them.

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2016, 11:32:07 AM »
that's not enough flipping power. Add another bsg, or even two others.

Also you need to put the bsg's higher so they actually flip stuff better. If you put them outside on multiextenders/baseplate anchors it's fine due to their high hp.

Unless you want to build IRL but at that point the most important thing is learning how to build good bots. IRL/Standard choice can come later.

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2016, 11:36:16 AM »
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Now with reversed burst motor, but there's no space in the chassis for any more of them.
Never be afraid to rebuild a chassis. Don't build a nice shape and just see what fits.
I believe the quote was ''fit the chassis to the components, not the components to the chassis.''
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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2016, 11:54:47 AM »
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Now with reversed burst motor, but there's no space in the chassis for any more of them.
Never be afraid to rebuild a chassis. Don't build a nice shape and just see what fits.
I believe the quote was ''fit the chassis to the components, not the components to the chassis.''
Well, I can't move the BSGs any higher so looks like i'm gonna have to rebuild the whole damned thing.

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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2016, 11:57:52 AM »
The reason why your BSGs can't flip anything is because the flipper is too long and doesn't have any leverage.

You can get the BSGs higher if you attach them outside of your chassis with multiextenders.
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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2016, 12:13:42 PM »
This my most 'optimised' MW flipper that uses BSGs.
It has a chassis just big enough for batteries and multi-extenders.
BSGs are attached higher up for better leverage.
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Re: Stigma's futile attempts at DSL
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2016, 12:20:59 PM »
SM's bot would be a good guide for you. Note:

How the chassis is as small as possible for the components, as larger chassis weight more, which is undesirable

The wedges are held on my metal hinges. I think you can use skirt hinges instead if you want, if you only use the centre attachment point.

The hypno wheels are the best wheels for NPC right/left motors. We usually use the fast variants of NPCs, as they are significantly better motors for only 5kg more weight.

Not sure if you know about DSA, but it's the default armour your bot gets when you don't open the armour tab. In DSL it is very weak and heavy, so we always change it to a different armour type. We usually build our bot first, then select the strongest armour that makes the bot fit within the weight limit.

The bot is barely under the weight limit. If your bot is 20kg below the weight limit, that's 20kg that could be spend on armour, weapons or other cool things.
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