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Title: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on December 17, 2018, 08:17:40 AM
First bot- BW thwacker I threw together in under 3 minutes.
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3 mm. Steel, but I could add 1 mm. Plastic, and add more irons if I had more time...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Hoppin on December 17, 2018, 08:31:42 AM
You've got more than enough battery life on that thwack bot. Drop it down to a single Battlepack. With that weight probably increase the extender on the weapon to Titanium and up the weapon count or a better weapon entirely. Overall, being a thwackbot it's super plain.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: kix on December 17, 2018, 08:32:55 AM
ohgod
That battery is not needed, one WP8 is more than enough for 2 motors
Iron spike is bad in DSL (generally most stock components are bad in DSL)
That bot with ai will not function as a thwacker, but an SnS (most tournaments ban SnS bots)
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 17, 2018, 08:48:38 AM
You've got more than enough battery life on that thwack bot. Drop it down to a single Battlepack. With that weight probably increase the extender on the weapon to Titanium and up the weapon count or a better weapon entirely. Overall, being a thwackbot it's super plain.

Extender weapon's titanium, I think.

I knew you would say what you said about the battery. What do the battlepacks look like?

...and yep, this Thwacker is gay. I'll see if I can add more weapons (and a tighter chassis.)
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Hoppin on December 17, 2018, 09:02:44 AM
You've got more than enough battery life on that thwack bot. Drop it down to a single Battlepack. With that weight probably increase the extender on the weapon to Titanium and up the weapon count or a better weapon entirely. Overall, being a thwackbot it's super plain.

Extender weapon's titanium, I think.

I knew you would say what you said about the battery. What do the battlepacks look like?

...and yep, this Thwacker is gay. I'll see if I can add more weapons (and a tighter chassis.)

1. It's Alu. You can tell from the colouring
2. Battlepacks are the red 15kg ones.
3. Do that.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 17, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
You've got more than enough battery life on that thwack bot. Drop it down to a single Battlepack. With that weight probably increase the extender on the weapon to Titanium and up the weapon count or a better weapon entirely. Overall, being a thwackbot it's super plain.

Extender weapon's titanium, I think.

I knew you would say what you said about the battery. What do the battlepacks look like?

...and yep, this Thwacker is gay. I'll see if I can add more weapons (and a tighter chassis.)

1. It's Alu. You can tell from the colouring
2. Battlepacks are the red 15kg ones.
3. Do that.

Thanks.
...and I can't tell armor coloring that well, but it's clear you can...
I'm thinking of trying a dual-weapon thwacker design...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 17, 2018, 12:00:32 PM
Any better?
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: TheRoboteer on December 17, 2018, 12:16:37 PM
Any better?
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Still too many batteries. You only need 1 battlepack. Dunno why you've downgraded the drive also.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 17, 2018, 12:20:16 PM
Any better?
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Still too many batteries. You only need 1 battlepack. Dunno why you've downgraded the drive also.

I wanted more weight for weapons... BIG mistake. Version 3 under way...
I'll remove that extra battlepack and add even more power- probably E-TEKS.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: TheRoboteer on December 17, 2018, 12:21:20 PM
Any better?
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Still too many batteries. You only need 1 battlepack. Dunno why you've downgraded the drive also.

I wanted more weight for weapons... BIG mistake. Version 3 under way...
I'll remove that extra battlepack and add even more power- probably E-TEKS.
Drive eteks are probably overkill for a BW, and would also require you to increase your chassis size massively which would likely take you overweight. NPC fasts are more than enough for such a light bot.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 17, 2018, 12:23:59 PM
Any better?
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Still too many batteries. You only need 1 battlepack. Dunno why you've downgraded the drive also.

I wanted more weight for weapons... BIG mistake. Version 3 under way...
I'll remove that extra battlepack and add even more power- probably E-TEKS.
Drive eteks are probably overkill for a BW, and would also require you to increase your chassis size massively which would likely take you overweight. NPC fasts are more than enough for such a light bot.

It's now a LW. NPC fasts sound like a great idea.

I signed up for Beetle Wars, so I need to develop a bot for that as well...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 17, 2018, 01:27:58 PM
I'm getting the idea of adding irons for ramming weapons, but are they good? because I see them a lot in NAR AI and the DSL 2.1 AI packs.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: TheRoboteer on December 17, 2018, 01:30:44 PM
I'm getting the idea of adding irons for ramming weapons, but are they good? because I see them a lot in NAR AI and the DSL 2.1 AI packs.
2.1 AI packs aren't really the best guide for effectiveness since 2.2 rebalanced stuff pretty drastically.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 17, 2018, 01:32:49 PM
I'm getting the idea of adding irons for ramming weapons, but are they good? because I see them a lot in NAR AI and the DSL 2.1 AI packs.
2.1 AI packs aren't really the best guide for effectiveness since 2.2 rebalanced stuff pretty drastically.

Any ideas for weapons? The VLAD spears are good, I know that...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 18, 2018, 03:45:17 PM
I'm currently developing a beetleweight...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: kix on December 18, 2018, 03:47:49 PM
I'm currently developing a beetleweight...
Why dont you actually post the pic of a bot instead of announcing it like that?
Most of the time youll doublepost
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 18, 2018, 03:53:26 PM
I'm currently developing a beetleweight...
Why dont you actually post the pic of a bot instead of announcing it like that?
Most of the time youll doublepost

Good point.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 19, 2018, 12:34:25 PM
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BW, lol. 3 mm. Steel.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Hoppin on December 19, 2018, 12:35:00 PM
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BW, lol. 3 mm. Steel.

Is it IRL or DSL-S?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 19, 2018, 12:36:06 PM
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BW, lol. 3 mm. Steel.

Is it IRL or DSL-S?

Don't know the difference between the two. It's DSL 2.3, so whatever one that is.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: pokebro14 on December 19, 2018, 12:39:21 PM
DSL 2.3 is the version of the game.
IRL and DSL-S are the meta.
By the way for the bots design I would have to say that thing is DSL-S
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: kix on December 19, 2018, 12:41:02 PM
 
BW, lol. 3 mm. Steel.

Is it IRL or DSL-S?

Don't know the difference between the two. It's DSL 2.3, so whatever one that is.
DSL 2.2 is mainly irl, but there are still DSL-s bots. If you aimed for irl, weapon motor sticking out is not irl
You better learn to IRL here:
https://gametechmods.com/forums/tutorials-and-tips/irl-a-beginner's-guide/ (https://gametechmods.com/forums/tutorials-and-tips/irl-a-beginner's-guide/)
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 19, 2018, 02:26:20 PM
Is DSL 2.3 IRL?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: TheRoboteer on December 19, 2018, 02:41:26 PM
Is DSL 2.2 IRL?
People have explained it poorly.

DSL, Stock and Ironforge are versions of the game. They have different components and different installs.

IRL, Standard and Unrealistic are building styles. You can technically build each of them in any version of the game, though different versions tend to be associated with different build styles (these days DSL tends to be associated with IRL, Ironforge with Standard, and Stock with Unrealistic.) What style (or "meta" as everyone calls them) you build is purely a matter of choice. Most of your stock bots for example have fallen into the "unrealistic" meta without you even knowing it exists. It's down to you what style you choose to build in.

The guide I wrote that kix linked earlier gives an outline of what the IRL build style pertains to. Unfortunately there aren't really any comprehensive up-to-date guides for Standard or Unrealistic at the moment, but you seem to have a decent grasp of those two styles already.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 19, 2018, 03:12:08 PM
Is DSL 2.2 IRL?
People have explained it poorly.

DSL, Stock and Ironforge are versions of the game. They have different components and different installs.

IRL, Standard and Unrealistic are building styles. You can technically build each of them in any version of the game, though different versions tend to be associated with different build styles (these days DSL tends to be associated with IRL, Ironforge with Standard, and Stock with Unrealistic.) What style (or "meta" as everyone calls them) you build is purely a matter of choice. Most of your stock bots for example have fallen into the "unrealistic" meta without you even knowing it exists. It's down to you what style you choose to build in.

The guide I wrote that kix linked earlier gives an outline of what the IRL build style pertains to. Unfortunately there aren't really any comprehensive up-to-date guides for Standard or Unrealistic at the moment, but you seem to have a decent grasp of those two styles already.

Oh, thank you.

Real Robotics must be IRL because it utilizes bots with no collision meshes.
...So every time I hear IRL, think "Real life bots," and when I hear "unrealistic," think "fictional bots."
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 26, 2018, 10:14:19 AM
Okay, there’s an interesting bot coming once I find the screenshots I took of it...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: kix on December 26, 2018, 10:32:20 AM
Why dont you actually post the pic of a bot instead of announcing it like that?
Most of the time youll doublepost
Here we go again
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 29, 2018, 08:29:25 AM
Why dont you actually post the pic of a bot instead of announcing it like that?
Most of the time youll doublepost
Here we go again
I have my reasons...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: FightingBotInformal on December 29, 2018, 12:19:12 PM
Why dont you actually post the pic of a bot instead of announcing it like that?
Most of the time youll doublepost
Here we go again
I have my reasons...
Sorry if I seem harsh, but your reason is that you don’t have the common sense to realize that you can edit a post.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on December 31, 2018, 07:51:25 AM
Why dont you actually post the pic of a bot instead of announcing it like that?
Most of the time youll doublepost
Here we go again
I have my reasons...
Sorry if I seem harsh, but your reason is that you don’t have the common sense to realize that you can edit a post.

Ah.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on January 07, 2019, 08:04:22 AM
Okay. I'm back.
..and here's a HS...
246.9 kg, 5 mm. Steel.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: KidDelta on January 07, 2019, 08:22:20 AM
Aren't Piglets for drive a big no-no? I mean, They are Brushless motors
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on January 07, 2019, 08:49:33 AM
Aren't Piglets for drive a big no-no? I mean, They are Brushless motors

Yes, but piglets are good for bots that don't require mass amounts of force to move.
EXCEPTION- Wandering Spinners work best with piglets for drive because they make it easier for the WS to bounce off walls.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on January 07, 2019, 09:01:49 AM
Aren't Piglets for drive a big no-no? I mean, They are Brushless motors

Yes, but piglets are good for bots that don't require mass amounts of force to move.
EXCEPTION- Wandering Spinners work best with piglets for drive because they make it easier for the WS to bounce off walls.
Just use a flat motor for the disc and slimbody motors for drive, they are better for their weight
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on January 07, 2019, 09:05:17 AM
Aren't Piglets for drive a big no-no? I mean, They are Brushless motors

Yes, but piglets are good for bots that don't require mass amounts of force to move.
EXCEPTION- Wandering Spinners work best with piglets for drive because they make it easier for the WS to bounce off walls.
Just use a flat motor for the disc and slimbody motors for drive, they are better for their weight

I'll look into that. Thank you.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: kix on January 07, 2019, 09:16:18 AM
Piglets are weapon motors. Weapon motors are really awful for drive as they dont have much torque
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Reier on January 07, 2019, 10:53:16 AM
Piglets are weapon motors. Weapon motors are really awful for drive as they dont have much traction
*torque
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: UberPyro on January 07, 2019, 11:56:59 AM
Movement works when you put a wheel directly on the axle of a motor. Movement in the game isn't completely realistic: it's more like the game pushes you in a direction like a rocket when the motors try to spin wheels that touch the ground. The only determining factors in how hard this push is are the motor's "gain" and the wheel's grip. Piglets have a gain of 10, astroflights have a gain of 12 (you can see this by reading the txts). They almost look identical to each other to the game, except astroflights are slightly stronger and lighter.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 07, 2019, 04:43:57 PM
Your weapon motor is underpowered, you have too many batteries, and you're using AW-level weapon motors for your drive.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Badnik96 on January 07, 2019, 05:26:22 PM
please stop trying to act like a know it all and just take our advice please im begging you
Title: Re: Screenshots
Post by: kix on January 07, 2019, 05:31:20 PM
SCREENSHOTS
Title: Re: Screenshots
Post by: Redalert on January 07, 2019, 05:50:24 PM
SCREENSHOTS

Yes, I know you’re trying to help.
That bot is generally awful.
Would 4 long batteries do the trick? Oh, and a larger weapon motor and TWM3Rs for the drive?
Title: Re: Screenshots
Post by: Hoppin on January 07, 2019, 05:51:29 PM
SCREENSHOTS

Yes, I know you’re trying to help.
That bot is generally awful.
Would 4 long batteries do the trick? Oh, and a larger weapon motor and TWM3Rs for the drive?

It would depend on the amount of drive motors and weapon motors
Title: Re: Screenshots
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 07, 2019, 05:52:27 PM
SCREENSHOTS

Yes, I know you’re trying to help.
That bot is generally awful.
Would 4 long batteries do the trick? Oh, and a larger weapon motor and TWM3Rs for the drive?
4 long batteries is far too many. You need 2 battlepacks to power 3 spin motors for 3 minutes. That's it.

TWMRs (make sure you use the drive variants. They're clearly labeled) should be good for drive.

I'd try at least a dual mag, if not a flatmotor, a perm or a quad mag for the weapon.
Title: Re: Screenshots
Post by: Redalert on January 07, 2019, 05:53:44 PM
SCREENSHOTS

Yes, I know you’re trying to help.
That bot is generally awful.
Would 4 long batteries do the trick? Oh, and a larger weapon motor and TWM3Rs for the drive?

It would depend on the amount of drive motors and weapon motors
Yeah, TWM3Rs are great for drive on LightWeights, and NPCs or 4 TWM3RS for MW and HW bots
Title: Re: Screenshots
Post by: Hoppin on January 07, 2019, 06:15:45 PM
SCREENSHOTS

Yes, I know you’re trying to help.
That bot is generally awful.
Would 4 long batteries do the trick? Oh, and a larger weapon motor and TWM3Rs for the drive?

It would depend on the amount of drive motors and weapon motors
Yeah, TWM3Rs are great for drive on LightWeights, and NPCs or 4 TWM3RS for MW and HW bots

Right, that doesnt answer my question.
Title: Re: Screenshot
Post by: kix on January 07, 2019, 07:06:55 PM
I meant for the tournament but okay i guess here too...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on January 08, 2019, 08:08:30 AM
New bot.
5 mm. Steel, 799.8 kg.
Only weakness is it's slow. REALLY slow.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on January 08, 2019, 08:10:52 AM
New bot.
5 mm. Steel, 799.8 kg.
Only weakness is it's slow. REALLY slow.
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I'm guessing those are regular NPCs, and for the flipper just use armor panels because those are too heavy
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on January 08, 2019, 08:39:09 AM
New bot.
5 mm. Steel, 799.8 kg.
Only weakness is it's slow. REALLY slow.
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I'm guessing those are regular NPCs, and for the flipper just use armor panels because those are too heavy
Flipper spikes prove more wedgy than armor panels, but I'll look into using an armor panel for a flipper. I'll also see if I can fit another battery in. It flips just fine, but the idea of using an armor panel seems to be a better choice.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: pokebro14 on January 08, 2019, 09:51:10 AM
New bot.
5 mm. Steel, 799.8 kg.
Only weakness is it's slow. REALLY slow.
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I'm guessing those are regular NPCs, and for the flipper just use armor panels because those are too heavy
Flipper spikes prove more wedgy than armor panels, but I'll look into using an armor panel for a flipper. I'll also see if I can fit another battery in. It flips just fine, but the idea of using an armor panel seems to be a better choice.
Ok so for the best wedge you need wedglets.the best way of doing it I found is by getting metal hinges and attatching wedglets to the hinges. The hinges need to be the ones that can have the angle controlled. I'm not very good at explaining it sorry
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on January 08, 2019, 09:54:08 AM
New bot.
5 mm. Steel, 799.8 kg.
Only weakness is it's slow. REALLY slow.
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I'm guessing those are regular NPCs, and for the flipper just use armor panels because those are too heavy
Flipper spikes prove more wedgy than armor panels, but I'll look into using an armor panel for a flipper. I'll also see if I can fit another battery in. It flips just fine, but the idea of using an armor panel seems to be a better choice.
Ok so for the best wedge you need wedglets.the best way of doing it I found is by getting metal hinges and attatching wedglets to the hinges. The hinges need to be the ones that can have the angle controlled. I'm not very good at explaining it sorry
I like metal hinges. Great idea.

I think I'll develop another flipper featuring wedgelets and a flipper made from an armor panel. (mainly steel)
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: kix on January 08, 2019, 09:55:47 AM
Oh yeah:
Lighter flipper = more fragile, more powerful
Heavier flipper = more durable, less powerful
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on January 08, 2019, 09:56:37 AM
New bot.
5 mm. Steel, 799.8 kg.
Only weakness is it's slow. REALLY slow.
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I'm guessing those are regular NPCs, and for the flipper just use armor panels because those are too heavy
Flipper spikes prove more wedgy than armor panels, but I'll look into using an armor panel for a flipper. I'll also see if I can fit another battery in. It flips just fine, but the idea of using an armor panel seems to be a better choice.
Ok so for the best wedge you need wedglets.the best way of doing it I found is by getting metal hinges and attatching wedglets to the hinges. The hinges need to be the ones that can have the angle controlled. I'm not very good at explaining it sorry
I like metal hinges. Great idea.

I think I'll develop another flipper featuring wedgelets and a flipper made from an armor panel. (mainly steel)
Go aluminum so the flipper can get better flips, steel is tough but heavy so go for aluminum
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: kix on January 08, 2019, 10:00:19 AM
New bot.
5 mm. Steel, 799.8 kg.
Only weakness is it's slow. REALLY slow.
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I'm guessing those are regular NPCs, and for the flipper just use armor panels because those are too heavy
Flipper spikes prove more wedgy than armor panels, but I'll look into using an armor panel for a flipper. I'll also see if I can fit another battery in. It flips just fine, but the idea of using an armor panel seems to be a better choice.
Ok so for the best wedge you need wedglets.the best way of doing it I found is by getting metal hinges and attatching wedglets to the hinges. The hinges need to be the ones that can have the angle controlled. I'm not very good at explaining it sorry
I like metal hinges. Great idea.

I think I'll develop another flipper featuring wedgelets and a flipper made from an armor panel. (mainly steel)
Go aluminum so the flipper can get better flips, steel is tough but heavy so go for aluminum
Not always best, for wdma midlarge/larges use TI/Alu mix
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on January 08, 2019, 10:24:26 AM
Generally, it depends on your burst motor as well. I like spiked flippers because they deal damage, but standard flippers made from lightweight armor panels work great for just flipping opponents and tend to be more powerful than weaponed flippers as you said.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Redalert on January 10, 2019, 12:00:02 PM
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on January 10, 2019, 12:08:49 PM
Wandering spinner...  [ This attachment cannot be displayed inline in 'Print Page' view ]
No......
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 10, 2019, 01:21:44 PM
Yes... Here's the tutorial.
 I. chassis adjusted as shown.  [ This attachment cannot be displayed inline in 'Print Page' view ]  

II. It's up to you how high you adjust the tornado mag motor. Battlepack is up 2 notches, and the small drive motor (I forgot the name of the motor) is up 1 notch.
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III. baseplate anchor up 1 notch. I used an aluminum square extender and titanium armor plate for front defense.
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IV. Wire it. Drive motor spins counterclockwise, and spinner rotates clockwise.

V. DONE
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on January 10, 2019, 01:38:28 PM
Im sorry dude but in DSL IRL no on is gonna make this
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on January 10, 2019, 02:06:36 PM
Yeah, literally every bot type will beat this
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 10, 2019, 02:12:14 PM
I sense a challenge.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on January 10, 2019, 02:19:33 PM
Honestly A lot of bots would beat that thing.
Flippers launch it into the sky and make it lose balance
Vertical spinners are gonna knock it off balance as well as do good damage to the chassis
Horizontal spinners are gonna be able to hit the chassis since all its got protecting it is one armour pannel and its very high up weapon means the low spinners will hit first
tbh I wouldnt say every bot type but most as long as they are decently build would do well.

this isnt to say full body spinners dont do well but putting a bot on one very weak wheel and giving it limited armour will seriously screw it over.
Normal full body spinners are pretty much the most OP thing In IRL RA2 meta if they're abused enough but the design you've gone for really limits it
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Badnik96 on January 10, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
looks like sh** and also wouldn't pass safety at any decently run tournament
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on January 10, 2019, 02:34:41 PM
looks like sh** and also wouldn't pass safety at any decently run tournament
It probably would pass in most tournaments since there doesn't look to be much clipping unless they consider it to have no real means of movement which is kinda understandable.
Also I hate to be that guy but I would probably explain why it looks like sh** instead of just saying it without giving helpful advice.

Man when did I become such a tool
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: superbomb122 on January 10, 2019, 02:40:16 PM
That tribar will not support those sledgehammers. I don't care how you refute, it wouldn't.

Also, there is not a robot IRL without controlled movement. Even Wrecks moves in a controlled matter. Uncontrolled movement is a safety hazard and and would get you counted out in 20 seconds anyway. This bot is bad and that's it.

I'm sick of your refusal to listen, too. Here's an idea: don't challenge others for criticizing your bot for flaws that are obvious to someone who saw battlebots in passing while channel surfing on a Friday night.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on January 10, 2019, 02:49:03 PM
I sense a challenge.
Okay sure, my MW vs your wandering spinner
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 10, 2019, 03:09:26 PM
Im sorry dude but in DSL IRL no on is gonna make this

looks like sh** and also wouldn't pass safety at any decently run tournament

Also, there is not a robot IRL without controlled movement. Even Wrecks moves in a controlled matter. Uncontrolled movement is a safety hazard and and would get you counted out in 20 seconds anyway. This bot is bad and that's it.
I must have missed the part where he said this bot was IRL
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 10, 2019, 03:10:20 PM
I sense a challenge.
Okay sure, my MW vs your wandering spinner

P.M me your bot, and the binding, please. Then, we'll fight them.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on January 10, 2019, 03:12:54 PM
I sense a challenge.
Okay sure, my MW vs your wandering spinner

P.M me your bot, and the binding, please. Then, we'll fight them.
No you see, we need to send the bots to the host of the challenge (host cant be a person thats fighting)
We also need to set arena and other rules (like cheatbot components, best of 3/5/7/9/etc)
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on January 10, 2019, 03:13:04 PM
Im sorry dude but in DSL IRL no on is gonna make this

looks like sh** and also wouldn't pass safety at any decently run tournament

Also, there is not a robot IRL without controlled movement. Even Wrecks moves in a controlled matter. Uncontrolled movement is a safety hazard and and would get you counted out in 20 seconds anyway. This bot is bad and that's it.
I must have missed the part where he said this bot was IRL
Huh, That was a bit stupid of me although in my defence these bots dont really look like the types of bots I think of when thinking about TC. These just seem like IRL bots beginners make to me.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: 09090901 on January 10, 2019, 03:15:08 PM
it has too many batteries regardless of irl or dsl-s
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 10, 2019, 03:21:01 PM
it has too many batteries regardless of irl or dsl-s

wandering spinners need a lot of batteries to survive, especially the one I just built.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: 090901 on January 10, 2019, 03:22:31 PM
it has too many batteries regardless of irl or dsl-s
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 10, 2019, 03:22:47 PM
Spin motors all use a set amount of power. 2 spin motors can easily be powered by 1 black battery. There is no argument against this.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 10, 2019, 03:24:08 PM
True. Very true.
This one just moves vvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy sssssssssssssssslllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, but does a lot of damage.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 10, 2019, 03:24:50 PM
True. Very true.
This one just moves vvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy sssssssssssssssslllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, but does a lot of damage.
It moves slow because you are using 1 astroflight for drive. It's nothing to do with the amount of batteries you have. 2 astroflights is generally considered inadequate for anything above a BW, and you're using half of that to drive a bot twice the weight.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 10, 2019, 03:26:20 PM
Yeah, but I tried that WS with only a black battery. Once the battery drained even less than 3/4, I was so slow, I couldn't even see it moving. Point is- it needs enough battery power to maintain its speed.

You are right. Generic WS only need one black to make it through a match...because they run at a decent speed.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: 09090901 on January 10, 2019, 03:28:50 PM
no it doesn't. all batteries in 2.2/2.3 give max output till they die

all spin motors consume the same amount of power.

you can't argue against this
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 10, 2019, 03:44:07 PM
no it doesn't. all batteries in 2.2/2.3 give max output till they die

all spin motors consume the same amount of power.

you can't argue against this

I  must be used to stock batteries. I didn't know that. Thank you.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Reier on January 10, 2019, 04:36:00 PM
(http://images.china.cn/images1/200701/380170.jpg)
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Mr. AS on January 10, 2019, 05:00:26 PM
god-tier bot, keep up the good work champ :beer:
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Badnik96 on January 10, 2019, 06:01:35 PM
looks like sh** and also wouldn't pass safety at any decently run tournament
It probably would pass in most tournaments since there doesn't look to be much clipping unless they consider it to have no real means of movement which is kinda understandable.
Also I hate to be that guy but I would probably explain why it looks like sh** instead of just saying it without giving helpful advice.

Man when did I become such a tool

it wouldnt pass safety because it only has one wheel meaning it can't exhibit controlled movement, thats kind of a requirement
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Reier on January 10, 2019, 06:03:17 PM
looks like sh** and also wouldn't pass safety at any decently run tournament
It probably would pass in most tournaments since there doesn't look to be much clipping unless they consider it to have no real means of movement which is kinda understandable.
Also I hate to be that guy but I would probably explain why it looks like sh** instead of just saying it without giving helpful advice.

Man when did I become such a tool

it wouldnt pass safety because it only has one wheel meaning it can't exhibit controlled movement, thats kind of a requirement
and before any of you goofs pull the meltybrain card, no, by how this robot is designed it couldn't use that mechanism.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 10, 2019, 07:59:08 PM
Wandering spinners are not for tournaments, except for my No Mind Devastation tournaments.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Badnik96 on January 10, 2019, 08:55:54 PM
ok let me change my tone of advice then

it's going to get gutripped by every dsl robot under the sun and also you have way too much empty space. protect the bottom
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 14, 2019, 12:06:23 PM
Building a shell WS

I. chassis adjusted as shown. Armor is 5mm. Titanium.
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II. baseplate anchor up as high as possible.
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III. Add a disk on a dual TWM3R2 as shown.
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IV. Add 60 cm. Plates onto the disk. Then, add small Typhoon teeth.
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V. WIRING- drive motor spins counterclockwise, weapon motor spins clockwise.

VI. Add a sawblade to the top as extra armor and for decoration.
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VII. DONE!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Hoppin on January 14, 2019, 12:11:27 PM
You got too many bats in that fam. Like 1 red should be good.
On top of that, it's really tall for little reason, thus resulting in it being unstable
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 14, 2019, 12:20:31 PM
Considering you supposedly shoot for effectiveness over looks, this thing is super sub-optimal.

As Hop mentioned, you have too many batts.

Also there's the fact that you have 8 small typhoons. I've seen that amount of weapons matched by other MW shells which also have actual drive. Considering the whole point of wandering spinners (as far as I'm aware) is supposedly to sacrifice drive for more weapons, you really haven't got enough.

The thing is way taller than it needs to be too, which is wasting more weight.

The long and short of it is, if you're going for efficiency, then you don't have enough weapons and you have a bunch of sub-optimal design choices here

And if you're going for looks, well it's an incredibly run-of-the mill shell spinner with 8 typhoons and a shell that's way too tall.

You need to decide if this thing is going for looks or efficiency, and change the design accordingly, because right now it's failing on both fronts
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Dark-Al on January 14, 2019, 12:32:54 PM
I feel that your weapon motor is way too high. Switch out the base anchor with a extender anchor to lower the dual TWM3R2. That way when you create the shell, you find that you'll have some weight left over for better weapons such as large typhoon teeth etc.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 14, 2019, 12:37:51 PM
Okay. I'm making a reboot now.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Badnik96 on January 14, 2019, 03:14:25 PM
resize your chassis so you can mount the weapon motor inside the chassis. also it needs way more weapons
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 14, 2019, 03:16:04 PM
Pic not available right now, but I followed your advice (surprising, right?) and threw together a flatter WS with all motors inside the body.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 15, 2019, 12:52:18 PM
Okay! 2 more WS!

Building a BW IRL WS

I. chassis adjusted as shown. Armor is 5 mm. Titanium.
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II. Battlepack is up 4 notches.
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III. Remember- IRL- In Real Life. Use a disk that doesn't intersect the chassis. I used a saw. Extender holding the twm on is Titanium.
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IV. Wiring. Drive rotates counterclockwise, weapon rotates clockwise.

V. DONE!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 15, 2019, 12:56:47 PM
Here's the rebooted IRL MW WS...

Building a smooth-running WS

I. Chassis as shown. Armor is 5 mm. Titanium.
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II. Twm3r2 up all the way.
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III. Add the spinner. There are a total of 9 small typhoon teeth on this bot.
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IV. WIRING- drive rotates counterclockwise, weapon motor rotates clockwise.

V. To get rid of extra weight, add LEDs. They look cool on this WS.
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VI. DONE!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 15, 2019, 12:57:26 PM
III. Remember- IRL- In Real Life. Use a disk that doesn't intersect the chassis. I used a saw. Extender holding the twm on is Titanium.
Hate to say it dude but this thing isn't remotely IRL. The way that weapon motor is totally exposed and not really supported doesn't fit with the IRL ruleset. What you got here is a standard bot.

The FBS certainly looks better than the last one you built, but again I really can't see WHY it needs to have 1WD. You'd gain so much by having proper drive and wouldn't lose much at all in the way of weaponry. You also still have too many batteries. 1 of those black batts is sufficient for 2 motors like you have on it
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 15, 2019, 01:51:06 PM
III. Remember- IRL- In Real Life. Use a disk that doesn't intersect the chassis. I used a saw. Extender holding the twm on is Titanium.
Hate to say it dude but this thing isn't remotely IRL. The way that weapon motor is totally exposed and not really supported doesn't fit with the IRL ruleset. What you got here is a standard bot.

The FBS certainly looks better than the last one you built, but again I really can't see WHY it needs to have 1WD. You'd gain so much by having proper drive and wouldn't lose much at all in the way of weaponry. You also still have too many batteries. 1 of those black batts is sufficient for 2 motors like you have on it

I think of TWM3Rs that are exposed as gearboxes. Okay, I have an idea for a Disk IRL WS. It looks like Tombstone.
Again, I see your point about batteries, but WS are different. You realize WS can't nearly put in as many hits on an opponent as an original opponent can in a single battery charge. An extra battery allows WS to deliver more powerful damage.

I will definitely look into single-battery WS, though.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Hoppin on January 15, 2019, 02:06:02 PM
WS are different. You realize WS can't nearly put in as many hits on an opponent as an original opponent can in a single battery charge. An extra battery allows WS to deliver more powerful damage.
I will definitely look into single-battery WS, though.

That's not how the relationship between batteries and motors work, there's a set amount of power that's outputted consistently till the battery life runs out with no way of overvolting it to increase it's RPM output.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: 09090901 on January 15, 2019, 05:21:37 PM
you don't need to post 4 images per bot. it's not giving us more information or insight

it's just more images that everyone's connection has to load
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 16, 2019, 10:37:12 AM
you don't need to post 4 images per bot. it's not giving us more information or insight

it's just more images that everyone's connection has to load

Okay, what about all the people that are new to DSL?

New WS pack out!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on January 16, 2019, 10:40:09 AM
you don't need to post 4 images per bot. it's not giving us more information or insight

it's just more images that everyone's connection has to load

Okay, what about all the people that are new to DSL?

New WS pack out!
Responding with 'what about the people who are new to DSL' for every bit of feedback you get isnt a valid point
 
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheOrcCorp on January 16, 2019, 03:20:02 PM
you don't need to post 4 images per bot. it's not giving us more information or insight

it's just more images that everyone's connection has to load

Okay, what about all the people that are new to DSL?

New WS pack out!
Responding with 'what about the people who are new to DSL' for every bit of feedback you get isnt a valid point
This is assuming that anyone cares about Wandering Spinners.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 16, 2019, 03:23:42 PM
Wandering Spinners are unique, and many bot builders have a taste for bots other than WS.

Again, many people come to GTM for ideas and downloads, especially people new to RA2, so I don't think it's a bad idea...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on January 16, 2019, 04:44:33 PM
Wandering Spinners are unique, and many bot builders have a taste for bots other than WS.

Again, many people come to GTM for ideas and downloads, especially people new to RA2, so I don't think it's a bad idea...
Ok dude, I don't mean to make you feel bad but.
No one is interested in WS.
All the people who are making them are doing it to take the piss. I know you have good intentions and I'm sure you have skill in bot building-he'll that weird bug thing you made was awesome- but your pushing WS too much dude. People don't care as much about them as you think. If you really want push the idea of unique designs don't make a load of WS because then your defeating your own beliefs.
I'm sorry dude but you just gotta know.


I'm Badnick 2.0 guys. Fear me.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: F1Krazy on January 17, 2019, 07:10:40 AM
Wandering Spinners are unique, and many bot builders have a taste for bots other than WS.

Again, many people come to GTM for ideas and downloads, especially people new to RA2, so I don't think it's a bad idea...
Ok dude, I don't mean to make you feel bad but.
No one is interested in WS.
All the people who are making them are doing it to take the piss. I know you have good intentions and I'm sure you have skill in bot building-he'll that weird bug thing you made was awesome- but your pushing WS too much dude. People don't care as much about them as you think.
And yet everytime he posts a wandering spinner he gets a guaranteed ten replies that all keep saying the same thing. I sure wish I got that many replies on my bots.

If we don't care about his WS builds, maybe we should just... ignore them?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheOrcCorp on January 17, 2019, 08:06:55 AM
And yet everytime he posts a wandering spinner he gets a guaranteed ten replies that all keep saying the same thing. I sure wish I got that many replies on my bots.

If we don't care about his WS builds, maybe we should just... ignore them?
Good advice, think everyone should pay heed to this man!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 17, 2019, 08:26:31 AM
Building a MW IRL WS

I. Chassis designed as shown. Armor is 1 mm. Steel.
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II. NOTE- the disks are there to just keep track of weight. They will be replaced later.
     This design uses 2 long batteries and an antweight battery.
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III. Now, to make the bot IRL. Add aluminum square extenders however you like. I made a triangular frame out of them. The disk has small typhoon teeth on it.
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IV. Add a small panel to the underside of the bot to keep it from being annihilated by popups.
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Now, add top armor.
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V. Remove the disks, and replace them with large drums. These will be the wheels. I added antweight blades to protect the drums.
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VI. WIRING- Left motor rotates counterclockwise, right motor and weapon motor rotate clockwise.

VII. DONE!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 17, 2019, 08:35:29 AM
It's certainly closer to IRL than your last one, but it's still not quite there. The axle of your weapon motor needs to be fully supported by the extenders. You may need the Component Freedom mod to do this, but it's pretty much universally legal in IRL building so there's no issue there (just remember to turn it off again when you're building Standard or Unrealistic bots)

Again, I don't get why you don't just give it wheels. I'm aware I'm probably wasting my breath but you'd gain so much by having full controlled movement, and it's not even like you're saving weight in this configuration. Those drums probably weigh as much if not more than proper wheels. The setup you have here really is a lose-lose.

You also once AGAIN have too much battery. You can ditch 1 of the black batts and still have enough power for 3 motors easily.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 17, 2019, 08:37:54 AM
It's certainly closer to IRL than your last one, but it's still not quite there. The axle of your weapon motor needs to be fully supported by the extenders. You may need the Component Freedom mod to do this, but it's pretty much universally legal in IRL building so there's no issue there (just remember to turn it off again when you're building Standard or Unrealistic bots)

Again, I don't get why you don't just give it wheels. I'm aware I'm probably wasting my breath but you'd gain so much by having full controlled movement, and it's not even like you're saving weight in this configuration. Those drums probably weigh as much if not more than proper wheels. The setup you have here really is a lose-lose.

You also once AGAIN have too much battery. You can ditch 1 of the black batts and still have enough power for 3 motors easily.

I tried that. It's the same question of- How do you get the chain motor to stick out of the chassis? Every time I do that, it turns red, and I can't place it.

This WS actually does sufficiently well on drums. It bounces off the walls with ease, and will drive forward...eventually...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 17, 2019, 08:40:35 AM
It's certainly closer to IRL than your last one, but it's still not quite there. The axle of your weapon motor needs to be fully supported by the extenders. You may need the Component Freedom mod to do this, but it's pretty much universally legal in IRL building so there's no issue there (just remember to turn it off again when you're building Standard or Unrealistic bots)

Again, I don't get why you don't just give it wheels. I'm aware I'm probably wasting my breath but you'd gain so much by having full controlled movement, and it's not even like you're saving weight in this configuration. Those drums probably weigh as much if not more than proper wheels. The setup you have here really is a lose-lose.

You also once AGAIN have too much battery. You can ditch 1 of the black batts and still have enough power for 3 motors easily.

I tried that. It's the same question of- How do you get the chain motor to stick out of the chassis? Every time I do that, it turns red, and I can't place it.
You need the component freedom mod, like I said.

This WS actually does sufficiently well on drums. It bounces off the walls with ease, and will drive forward...eventually...
Pretty sure it would do better on wheels my dude. People use them for a reason
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 17, 2019, 08:48:00 AM
It's certainly closer to IRL than your last one, but it's still not quite there. The axle of your weapon motor needs to be fully supported by the extenders. You may need the Component Freedom mod to do this, but it's pretty much universally legal in IRL building so there's no issue there (just remember to turn it off again when you're building Standard or Unrealistic bots)

Again, I don't get why you don't just give it wheels. I'm aware I'm probably wasting my breath but you'd gain so much by having full controlled movement, and it's not even like you're saving weight in this configuration. Those drums probably weigh as much if not more than proper wheels. The setup you have here really is a lose-lose.

You also once AGAIN have too much battery. You can ditch 1 of the black batts and still have enough power for 3 motors easily.

I tried that. It's the same question of- How do you get the chain motor to stick out of the chassis? Every time I do that, it turns red, and I can't place it.
You need the component freedom mod, like I said.

This WS actually does sufficiently well on drums. It bounces off the walls with ease, and will drive forward...eventually...
Pretty sure it would do better on wheels my dude. People use them for a reason

I tried wheels on a drum WS. They only work on some. Most of them just get stuck.

I have CF, but I don't see it when I play DSL. Do I just select the "RA2 (component freedom)" application instead of the basic "RA2" application?

Just a heads-up, I'm on a WS building spri.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 17, 2019, 03:28:54 PM
A bot that's not a WS.
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I forgot how I did it, but I just invented a glitch that makes 10 mm. Steel as light as 5 mm. Steel.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on January 17, 2019, 04:22:42 PM
A bot that's not a WS.
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I forgot how I did it, but I just invented a glitch that makes 10 mm. Steel as light as 5 mm. Steel.
See isn't that nice. A bot that has no weird design that you think is cool and clever just a simple neat bot. No WS no Drum wheels. I'm glad your listening to advice now.

Personally I think it's not terrible considering you've only just started IRL building. The wedges could be pushed forward and made smaller to properly look like a real bot. Maybe try making the bot as a whole more interesting. Unlike the other Metas IRL is a lot about making bots look fun and stuff or at least that's how I and a few others see it. Experiment with shapes and designs that could be more interesting.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 17, 2019, 04:26:35 PM
A bot that's not a WS.
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I forgot how I did it, but I just invented a glitch that makes 10 mm. Steel as light as 5 mm. Steel.
See isn't that nice. A bot that has no weird design that you think is cool and clever just a simple neat bot. No WS no Drum wheels. I'm glad your listening to advice now.

Personally I think it's not terrible considering you've only just started IRL building. The wedges could be pushed forward and made smaller to properly look like a real bot. Maybe try making the bot as a whole more interesting. Unlike the other Metas IRL is a lot about making bots look fun and stuff or at least that's how I and a few others see it. Experiment with shapes and designs that could be more interesting.

Wandering Spinners are very complicated, so It's difficult to follow advice on those.

Other bots, however, Yes. It's very interesting what you can make in DSL, I can tell you that.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on January 17, 2019, 04:46:53 PM
A bot that's not a WS.
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I forgot how I did it, but I just invented a glitch that makes 10 mm. Steel as light as 5 mm. Steel.
See isn't that nice. A bot that has no weird design that you think is cool and clever just a simple neat bot. No WS no Drum wheels. I'm glad your listening to advice now.

Personally I think it's not terrible considering you've only just started IRL building. The wedges could be pushed forward and made smaller to properly look like a real bot. Maybe try making the bot as a whole more interesting. Unlike the other Metas IRL is a lot about making bots look fun and stuff or at least that's how I and a few others see it. Experiment with shapes and designs that could be more interesting.

Wandering Spinners are very complicated, so It's difficult to follow advice on those.

Other bots, however, Yes. It's very interesting what you can make in DSL, I can tell you that.
They don't seem very complicated although I don't think I ever said they weren't in the previous feedback I have to you.
I'm not really sure where you got that idea from but you were right in thinking so.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Sickle robotics on January 17, 2019, 05:05:27 PM
A bot that's not a WS.
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I forgot how I did it, but I just invented a glitch that makes 10 mm. Steel as light as 5 mm. Steel.

Not bad.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: superbomb122 on January 17, 2019, 10:12:15 PM
Congrats on making a bot with wheels. Its armor is really messy and looks tacked on. Try to integrate the armor closer to the rest of the chassis and design.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Badnik96 on January 18, 2019, 02:22:05 AM
chassis seems very nice and compact, you did a good job minimizing chassis space. like superbomb said the armor panels look a bit messy, work on making it look more clean.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 18, 2019, 07:04:20 AM
chassis seems very nice and compact, you did a good job minimizing chassis space. like superbomb said the armor panels look a bit messy, work on making it look more clean.

Messy? I fail to see how, but It does a bang-up job in combat.

I need to build some hammers and more wandering spinners since I'm hosting a personal tournament. (I'm hosting a personal because my public one isn't doing so well at the moment...)
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 18, 2019, 07:06:58 AM
chassis seems very nice and compact, you did a good job minimizing chassis space. like superbomb said the armor panels look a bit messy, work on making it look more clean.

Messy? I fail to see how, but It does a bang-up job in combat.

I need to build some hammers and more wandering spinners since I'm hosting a personal tournament. (I'm hosting a personal because my public one isn't doing so well at the moment...)
They're all very incoherent. There's no real "flow" to the panelwork. It's like you just slapped on a bunch of panels. It would look a lot better if they looked more connected and flowed into each other better
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 18, 2019, 07:09:14 AM
chassis seems very nice and compact, you did a good job minimizing chassis space. like superbomb said the armor panels look a bit messy, work on making it look more clean.

Again, I'm very new to DSL, so I still have much to learn.
Messy? I fail to see how, but It does a bang-up job in combat.

I need to build some hammers and more wandering spinners since I'm hosting a personal tournament. (I'm hosting a personal because my public one isn't doing so well at the moment...)
They're all very incoherent. There's no real "flow" to the panelwork. It's like you just slapped on a bunch of panels. It would look a lot better if they looked more connected and flowed into each other better
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 18, 2019, 12:04:25 PM
Wand
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            spinner
This WS combines the strengths of all my other WS.
Building a robust WS
1. Chassis adjusted as shown. Armor is 1 mm. Steel.
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2. Tornado Mag is up 3 notches.
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3. Tribar is large, and hammers are 30 kg. Sledgehammers.
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4. Baseplate anchor is up 3 notches. Attach an 80 cm. Lexan plate onto it. Add LEDs to take up leftover weight.
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5. DONE!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Naryar on January 19, 2019, 09:19:33 PM
what is a WS ? Oh it's one of them 1WD horizontal spinners... eh. it's fairly immobile and unable to being driven properly. Which is almost fine on the combat arena, but not so much in arenas with noticeable hazards or when you have a damaged motor/low battery and the AI can't get out of immobilization and you lose
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 20, 2019, 06:00:11 AM
what is a WS ? Oh it's one of them 1WD horizontal spinners... eh. it's fairly immobile and unable to being driven properly. Which is almost fine on the combat arena, but not so much in arenas with noticeable hazards or when you have a damaged motor/low battery and the AI can't get out of immobilization and you lose

Other members tell me that I have too many batts in WS. Now they know why WS need lots of batteries.

As I told everyone else- wandering spinners are bots designed to use Newton’s law of action and reaction to move around the arena. They sport a HS that serves as a steering system as well as a weapon. When a WS hots a wall, the excessive force causes the WS to bounce, sending it off in a different direction. Wandering spinners use very robust weapons to prevent weapon fractures, and typically run around on one wheel, though more complex WS use drums or disks on 2 or more motors to drive around. Wandering spinners use a single switch control to fully activate or deactivate, though AI WS also have a button wired the same way as the switch.

Wandering spinners have both a good and a bad side.

Bad- wandering spinners can only be activated or deactivated. They steer by themselves, and are tournament illegal. The easiest way to defeat a WS is to have the WS wander onto a flipper or into a pit.

Good. Wandering spinners can carry more weapons than any generic HS.
Whereas you have a HS 4-spinner HS with 36 maces, a wandering spinner HW can have up to 39, maybe 42 irons. This makes them VERY difficult to outweapon, and victories with any other standard HS are rare.

There are 2 types of WS.

Basic- basic WS have a single central motor, with 1 wheel (or 2 if it’s a DSL WS. The wheels can be attached to each other to create fatter wheels.) Basic WS have anywhere from from 1-4 spinners, and are mainly found in the forms of full-body spinners.

Complex- complex WS are direct opposites of basic WS. They use disks or dums on 2 or more motors, primarily for stability. Complex WS, although they don’t have much traction, are more reliable than basic WS because the low traction allows for easy deflection off walls, and makes them capable of getting out of corners.
Complex WS are found in forms like the famous bots Tombstone and Carbide, with all the spinners at the front, or sometimes, spaced out so one is on each side of the WS, like a drone. Complex WS have 1 or more spinners, and typically more armor.

However, the current strength-to-weight ratio proves that basic WS are better because they can have more weapons than complex WS.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on January 20, 2019, 06:04:15 AM
Dude your really over complicating a full body spinner with one wheel.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: ty4er on January 20, 2019, 06:05:15 AM
nary dont fall for the memes theyre getting out of hand

Whereas you have a HS 4-spinner HS with 36 maces, a wandering spinner HW can have up to 39, maybe 42 irons. This makes them VERY difficult to outweapon, and victories with any other standard HS are rare.
are you able to make a bot with more weapons that can beat a standard 36hs
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on January 20, 2019, 06:13:03 AM
To give you constructive criticism:
A: Dont go with 1mm armor... Its pretty much useless
B: Weapon missing supports (like those red bars on SOW's tribar)
C: Stop with the WS thing... Youre pretty much gonna be rejected on every tournament, and if you get somehow accepted people will wire the bot as a normal 2wd bot (no switch/button bs)
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 20, 2019, 10:41:30 AM
To give you constructive criticism:
A: Dont go with 1mm armor... Its pretty much useless
B: Weapon missing supports (like those red bars on SOW's tribar)
C: Stop with the WS thing... Youre pretty much gonna be rejected on every tournament, and if you get somehow accepted people will wire the bot as a normal 2wd bot (no switch/button bs)

A. gotcha.
B. SOW tribar is too heavy, unless I sacrificed armor and drive. It does look weak, though...
C. WS are not for tournaments. Every entrant I put in a tournament is a basic, 2 or 4wd bot with analog control. Not a WS.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 20, 2019, 10:42:43 AM
WS in the Robogames arena...
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on January 20, 2019, 10:55:26 AM
For SOW tribar situation
This is IRL wise, because if you did go for IRL that wouldn't be legal as the bars are weak
I didnt meant for you to use the SOW tribar component. I you should make that red part that is support on SOW (irl bot) in RA2
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 20, 2019, 12:39:49 PM
For SOW tribar situation
This is IRL wise, because if you did go for IRL that wouldn't be legal as the bars are weak
I didnt meant for you to use the SOW tribar component. I you should make that red part that is support on SOW (irl bot) in RA2

...or try modifying the tribar component if there’s a tutorial on how to edit components...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on January 20, 2019, 04:06:37 PM
For SOW tribar situation
This is IRL wise, because if you did go for IRL that wouldn't be legal as the bars are weak
I didnt meant for you to use the SOW tribar component. I you should make that red part that is support on SOW (irl bot) in RA2
No that removes effort that you need to have

...or try modifying the tribar component if there’s a tutorial on how to edit components...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 21, 2019, 06:55:37 AM
For SOW tribar situation
This is IRL wise, because if you did go for IRL that wouldn't be legal as the bars are weak
I didnt meant for you to use the SOW tribar component. I you should make that red part that is support on SOW (irl bot) in RA2
No that removes effort that you need to have

...or try modifying the tribar component if there’s a tutorial on how to edit components...

SOW tribar it is!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 22, 2019, 12:04:16 PM
Another WS!
It can self-right and has the ability to ram.

1. Chassis as shown. Armor is 3 mm. Aluminum.
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750s are up a notch, TWM3R2 is up all the way (3 notches) Battlepack  is up 3 notches.

3. Add a small disk with small typhoon teeth to the TWM3R2.
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4. Add beater bars to small baseplate anchors.
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5. You now have 1 kg. to do whatever with. I added red LEDs to the WS.
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6. DONE!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 22, 2019, 12:05:03 PM
WS in the RW arena...
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Naryar on January 23, 2019, 05:36:16 AM
what's the point, it's not going to get any grip on the ground ??? plus this is just a weird hs

this "wheel"-base also look fairly wide exposed to me. you should hit the enemy with that weapon, not your "wheels".
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 23, 2019, 06:14:47 AM
what's the point, it's not going to get any grip on the ground ??? plus this is just a weird hs

this "wheel"-base also look fairly wide exposed to me. you should hit the enemy with that weapon, not your "wheels".

Okay, drum HS only need enough traction to actually accelerate. That’s it. The less traction, the more reliable the WS is, and the less prone it is to getting stuck.

I’m considering armoring hte wheels. Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on January 23, 2019, 06:15:59 AM
what's the point, it's not going to get any grip on the ground ??? plus this is just a weird hs

this "wheel"-base also look fairly wide exposed to me. you should hit the enemy with that weapon, not your "wheels".

Okay, drum HS only need enough traction to actually accelerate. That’s it. The less traction, the more reliable the WS is, and the less prone it is to getting stuck.

I’m considering armoring hte wheels. Thanks for that.
Just use regular wheels and make it a HS with actual controlled movement
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 23, 2019, 06:18:20 AM
what's the point, it's not going to get any grip on the ground ??? plus this is just a weird hs

this "wheel"-base also look fairly wide exposed to me. you should hit the enemy with that weapon, not your "wheels".

Okay, drum HS only need enough traction to actually accelerate. That’s it. The less traction, the more reliable the WS is, and the less prone it is to getting stuck.

I’m considering armoring hte wheels. Thanks for that.
Just use regular wheels and make it a HS with actual controlled movement

If I don’t want it to be a WS, yes. I can just modify the controls, and switch the drums to wheels.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on January 23, 2019, 06:26:02 AM
what's the point, it's not going to get any grip on the ground ??? plus this is just a weird hs

this "wheel"-base also look fairly wide exposed to me. you should hit the enemy with that weapon, not your "wheels".

Okay, drum HS only need enough traction to actually accelerate. That’s it. The less traction, the more reliable the WS is, and the less prone it is to getting stuck.

I’m considering armoring hte wheels. Thanks for that.
Just use regular wheels and make it a HS with actual controlled movement

If I don’t want it to be a WS, yes. I can just modify the controls, and switch the drums to wheels.
Then do it
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: superbomb122 on January 23, 2019, 06:28:07 AM
what's the point, it's not going to get any grip on the ground ??? plus this is just a weird hs

this "wheel"-base also look fairly wide exposed to me. you should hit the enemy with that weapon, not your "wheels".

Okay, drum HS only need enough traction to actually accelerate. That’s it. The less traction, the more reliable the WS is, and the less prone it is to getting stuck.

I’m considering armoring hte wheels. Thanks for that.
Just use regular wheels and make it a HS with actual controlled movement

If I don’t want it to be a WS, yes. I can just modify the controls, and switch the drums to wheels.
Why would you want it the be a WS? Most LW HSes have longer reach than your robot and could kill it easily. Use actual wheels for the drive to save weight, switch the weapon to a flatmotor (it's found using cheatbot2, should be the second to last motor with cheatbot2 enabled), get rid of the beaters, as they don't help one bit. and switch the weapon to a long DSL bar. Bang, you have traction, more reach, and more weapon power iirc.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 23, 2019, 07:30:30 AM
what's the point, it's not going to get any grip on the ground ??? plus this is just a weird hs

this "wheel"-base also look fairly wide exposed to me. you should hit the enemy with that weapon, not your "wheels".

Okay, drum HS only need enough traction to actually accelerate. That’s it. The less traction, the more reliable the WS is, and the less prone it is to getting stuck.

I’m considering armoring hte wheels. Thanks for that.
Just use regular wheels and make it a HS with actual controlled movement

If I don’t want it to be a WS, yes. I can just modify the controls, and switch the drums to wheels.
Why would you want it the be a WS? Most LW HSes have longer reach than your robot and could kill it easily. Use actual wheels for the drive to save weight, switch the weapon to a flatmotor (it's found using cheatbot2, should be the second to last motor with cheatbot2 enabled), get rid of the beaters, as they don't help one bit. and switch the weapon to a long DSL bar. Bang, you have traction, more reach, and more weapon power iirc.

Why hate me for trying?
I already have so many WS with DSL bars... one is being made now. It also mentions everything you prescribed above- 1 rubber wheel- a disk motor (I call them chain motors), a DSL bar tipped with beaters. and armor at the front end.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Hoppin on January 23, 2019, 07:56:25 AM
Its not hate, more a valid criticism of the benefit of it being a wandering spinner compared to just a regular bot
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Billy5545 on January 23, 2019, 07:58:01 AM
Yeah, to be blunt Redalert, you said you make WS as they are original and not generic to you. But people don't care about WS because frankly it's not good. People will like you more if you just make it a regular HS than a WS, and then improve your building.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on January 23, 2019, 04:27:03 PM
The bot you made has no advantages over the same bot with tractioned wheels
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Hoppin on January 23, 2019, 05:44:11 PM
Okay, I just built a ton of WS and basic IRL bots. I'll display them later.

Post with photos, don't make a pre-post for them.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 24, 2019, 08:19:10 AM
Cambered Wandering Spinner...
I. Chassis as shown. It's up to you what armor you put on it.
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Tornado Mag up as high as possiblt.

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It's up to you what weapons you use...

IV. WIRING- Drive rotates counterclockwise, spinner rotates clockwise.

V. DONE!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 24, 2019, 08:21:46 AM
Now, some NOT WS...
Best MW IRL popup.
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Saw, lol.
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398 kg, 5 mm. Titanium.

My best HS. 801 kg, 5 mm. Steel.
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Really does some damage!
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on January 24, 2019, 08:27:45 AM
Okay, so few stuff:
Popups dont really work on DSL IRL
Saw motor needs support to kinda cover it up
Hypno teeth is nowhere near as powerful as Typhoon teeth
not bad tbh
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 24, 2019, 08:28:44 AM
"IRL popup" is an oxymoron. No IRL tournament is gonna accept a popup because in real life Popups would do pretty much no damage
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: WeN on January 24, 2019, 08:31:56 AM
IRL popup is more like a weapon flipper
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 24, 2019, 08:34:23 AM
Okay, so few stuff:
Popups dont really work on DSL IRL
Saw motor needs support to kinda cover it up
Hypno teeth is nowhere near as powerful as Typhoon teeth
not bad tbh

Too many of my bots have typhoon teeth. I want to try Hypno teeth just this once...
...and the MW IRL popup actually works. I could build a working copy of it out of legos. It just doesn't do as much damage as an unrealistic popup, and functions more like a flipper in IRL...
The saw motor really does need more cover. That's why I ditched that bot.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on January 24, 2019, 08:43:07 AM
Okay, so few stuff:
Popups dont really work on DSL IRL
Saw motor needs support to kinda cover it up
Hypno teeth is nowhere near as powerful as Typhoon teeth
not bad tbh
...and the MW IRL popup actually works. I could build a working copy of it out of legos. It just doesn't do as much damage as an unrealistic popup, and functions more like a flipper in IRL...
As you've been told before, IRL is about more than simply being able to be physically built (that's pretty much what Standard is actually)

Honestly I don't think IRL building is for you, which is fine. Standard needs more builders and you clearly think about building in a way that meshes well with standard building
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: superbomb122 on January 24, 2019, 09:00:31 AM
IRL popup is more like a weapon flipper
agreed.

I'd prefer if your "pop-up" was just a straight up flipper that uses extenders to make the flipper. Also, there are extender anchors that weigh 4 kgs. Try using those to save a little space and see if you can fit a VDMA in for the flipper. I'd say the battery power can be brought down to 2 blacks to help the weight. The shirts are generally frowned upon in IRL, so I'd suggest using the wedgelets in the weapons tab instead. Finally, please make your armor/skin more aesthetically pleasing. They aren't the most atrocious things in the world, but IRL is largely about looks.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 24, 2019, 09:20:23 AM
IRL popup is more like a weapon flipper
agreed.

I'd prefer if your "pop-up" was just a straight up flipper that uses extenders to make the flipper. Also, there are extender anchors that weigh 4 kgs. Try using those to save a little space and see if you can fit a VDMA in for the flipper. I'd say the battery power can be brought down to 2 blacks to help the weight. The shirts are generally frowned upon in IRL, so I'd suggest using the wedgelets in the weapons tab instead. Finally, please make your armor/skin more aesthetically pleasing. They aren't the most atrocious things in the world, but IRL is largely about looks.

Thanks for the advice! I'll make and post a reboot soon...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Naryar on January 24, 2019, 09:25:26 AM
It's a weaponed flipper. It's fine for IRL purposes as long as it's not too popup-y
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 24, 2019, 09:31:00 AM
It's a weaponed flipper. It's fine for IRL purposes as long as it's not too popup-y

It's not to popup-like.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on January 24, 2019, 09:34:24 AM
Pretty decent attempt at a big wedge flipper. Honestly would be my favorate bot you've made if it wasn't for the out of place twighlight image on the top of it.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 24, 2019, 09:36:40 AM
Pretty decent attempt at a big wedge flipper. Honestly would be my favorate bot you've made if it wasn't for the out of place twighlight image on the top of it.

...neater paintjob, I suspect?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on January 24, 2019, 09:37:39 AM
Pretty decent attempt at a big wedge flipper. Honestly would be my favorate bot you've made if it wasn't for the out of place twighlight image on the top of it.

...neater paintjob, I suspect?
In short yeah.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 24, 2019, 09:40:11 AM
Got 'it.
Here's the list of improvements I need to put into the reboot...
> wedgelets instead of skirts
>better paint job
>2...car batteries?
>stronger flipper.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: F1Krazy on January 24, 2019, 01:53:03 PM
Also, there are extender anchors that weigh 4 kgs. Try using those to save a little space
You're actually better off using a 10cm Square Aluminium Extender. It has the same shape and attachment points, but it only weighs 0.8kg, and since anything attached to the baseplate is invincible, the hit points really don't matter. I've found them very useful for shaving weight off older builds.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 24, 2019, 02:04:08 PM
Make this extender a 10 cm. and not a 20 cm.?
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: superbomb122 on January 24, 2019, 07:10:43 PM
Also, there are extender anchors that weigh 4 kgs. Try using those to save a little space
You're actually better off using a 10cm Square Aluminium Extender. It has the same shape and attachment points, but it only weighs 0.8kg, and since anything attached to the baseplate is invincible, the hit points really don't matter. I've found them very useful for shaving weight off older builds.
I keep forgetting about that lol

Make this extender a 10 cm. and not a 20 cm.?
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No, switch the baseplate anchors out for 10cm extenders to save a little weight and space on the inside of your robot.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 27, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
Also, there are extender anchors that weigh 4 kgs. Try using those to save a little space
You're actually better off using a 10cm Square Aluminium Extender. It has the same shape and attachment points, but it only weighs 0.8kg, and since anything attached to the baseplate is invincible, the hit points really don't matter. I've found them very useful for shaving weight off older builds.
I keep forgetting about that lol

Make this extender a 10 cm. and not a 20 cm.?
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No, switch the baseplate anchors out for 10cm extenders to save a little weight and space on the inside of your robot.

...you mean those extenders that function as anchors.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 29, 2019, 08:13:34 AM
We need more LW bots.
Here's a LW flipper. 5 mm. Steel.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 29, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
Here's what Denali Coven looks like in RA2. I'm actually designing this bot in real life.
EXCEPTION- the real life design has a lifter arm, not a flipper arm.
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10 mm. Steel. I like to have the paintjobs I put on my bots really show in fights.

I also built a little counterpart- Carmen. The bot's insides are shown in the previous post. (again, I have to double post whenever I run out of kb.)

Fighting with Carmen...
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on January 29, 2019, 09:09:30 AM
Here's what Denali Coven looks like in RA2. I'm actually designing this bot in real life.
EXCEPTION- the real life design has a lifter arm, not a flipper arm.
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10 mm. Steel. I like to have the paintjobs I put on my bots really show in fights.

I also built a little counterpart- Carmen. The bot's insides are shown in the previous post. (again, I have to double post whenever I run out of kb.)

Fighting with Carmen...
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sorry but steel 10 is usually not allowed in most tournaments (Because it's overkill) but I like how compact it is
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 29, 2019, 09:25:50 AM
Here's what Denali Coven looks like in RA2. I'm actually designing this bot in real life.
EXCEPTION- the real life design has a lifter arm, not a flipper arm.
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10 mm. Steel. I like to have the paintjobs I put on my bots really show in fights.

I also built a little counterpart- Carmen. The bot's insides are shown in the previous post. (again, I have to double post whenever I run out of kb.)

Fighting with Carmen...
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sorry but steel 10 is usually not allowed in most tournaments (Because it's overkill) but I like how compact it is

...so I don't put DC in tournaments. That's fine. Rosalie III is a lot similar to DC, but has armor plates and 5 mm. Steel instead of 10 mm., so Rosalie III will take the place of DC in tournaments.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on January 29, 2019, 11:34:57 AM
i would ditch st10 for better npc motors
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 29, 2019, 12:05:15 PM
i would ditch st10 for better npc motors

Too many of my bots have npc fasts. Take my rammer/lifter: Rosalie III for instance.

More fights...
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Feelin' "pushy." ...and yes. I also had a WS fight in these fights.

I was fighting as Rosalie III. I was pinning Complete Control when...
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one of my WS obliterates Top Dog.

All WS. BIG hits in this fight...
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: FightingBotInformal on January 29, 2019, 05:17:05 PM
i would ditch st10 for better npc motors

Too many of my bots have npc fasts.
But tbh sorry if I sound vague but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: 090901 on January 29, 2019, 08:16:23 PM
sorry but steel 10 is usually not allowed in most tournaments (Because it's overkill)
dude what
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 30, 2019, 11:56:11 AM
Guess what happens when all your bots have the same components-
G
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on January 30, 2019, 12:44:03 PM
Motors and internals dont make bots not generic. what makes a bot generic IMO is the weapon and shape and how they can be combined.
nobody really cares about diffrences between motors or other internals. I use NPC fasts for pretty much all my HW because thats just the best for that weight class.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 30, 2019, 04:27:48 PM
bots like Kate's Revenge aren't generic. I'm trying to make more bots like it.

TWM3R2's are pretty good. They're stronger than NPC fasts...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on January 30, 2019, 05:04:00 PM
bots like Kate's Revenge aren't generic. I'm trying to make more bots like it.

TWM3R2's are pretty good. They're stronger than NPC fasts...
Yet they are slower and not suitable for 4wd bots
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 31, 2019, 08:06:59 AM
Slower=more torque. Denali Coven is all about torque.

Rather disappointed in this bot, but it's good at outrunning opponents. 1 mm. Steel.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on January 31, 2019, 08:08:56 AM
Slower=more torque. Denali Coven is all about torque.
So with your logic 4 Astros have more pushing power than 6 NPC fasts
Also that bot is decent, pokers aren't used much in IRL
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 31, 2019, 08:16:46 AM
Slower=more torque. Denali Coven is all about torque.
So with your logic 4 Astros have more pushing power than 6 NPC fasts
Also that bot is decent, pokers aren't used much in IRL

Could it be because they can be boring?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on January 31, 2019, 08:17:40 AM
Slower=more torque. Denali Coven is all about torque.
So with your logic 4 Astros have more pushing power than 6 NPC fasts
Also that bot is decent, pokers aren't used much in IRL

Could it be because they can be boring?
No it's because they suck
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 31, 2019, 08:18:52 AM
Slower=more torque. Denali Coven is all about torque.
So with your logic 4 Astros have more pushing power than 6 NPC fasts
Also that bot is decent, pokers aren't used much in IRL

Could it be because they can be boring?
No it's because they suck

...so they're crappy. I'll build something else then.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on January 31, 2019, 08:22:13 AM
Slower=more torque. Denali Coven is all about torque.
So with your logic 4 Astros have more pushing power than 6 NPC fasts
Also that bot is decent, pokers aren't used much in IRL

Could it be because they can be boring?
No it's because they suck

...so they're crappy. I'll build something else then.
Make a gutripping vert or an overhead
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on January 31, 2019, 08:58:07 AM
Sounds good.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on January 31, 2019, 02:15:40 PM
Slower=more torque. Denali Coven is all about torque.
Ok kiddo, I have more experience in ra2 than you and i can confirm that what you have said is false info.
Dont try to argue with me, you will lose 100% of the time
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 01, 2019, 08:08:39 AM
Slower=more torque. Denali Coven is all about torque.
Ok kiddo, I have more experience in ra2 than you and i can confirm that what you have said is false info.
Dont try to argue with me, you will lose 100% of the time

I respect that.

Here's an invincible rammer. IRL because it can be rebuilt in real life.
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Invincible Spinner...

drum spinner with 5 mm. Titanium.
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Invincible rammer with weapons.
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Hammer. 248 kg, 3 mm. Steel.
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MW HS. 5 mm. Aluminum.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on February 01, 2019, 08:21:20 AM
What makes those "Invincible"?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 01, 2019, 08:36:21 AM
What makes those "Invincible"?

My first invincible IRL bot...
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on February 01, 2019, 08:36:49 AM
What makes those "Invincible"?
Same
Oh thats not irl, as you are abusing the invisible part system
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 01, 2019, 08:50:48 AM
It could be both ways. Again, you could build this bot in real life, but it wouldn't be invincible.
I wouldn't think of submitting InvinciRammers to tournaments, so don't worry.

...oh wait, I just invented ANOTHER bot type!

...That means I have invented 3 bot types-
>Wandering Spinner
>Snare
>InvinciRammer

Flipper. As you would call it- mmmmmmmeeeeeesssssssssssaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy.
It's invincible on the top and bottom, but not on the sides, so it's somewhat tournament legal.
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MW HS. 1 mm. Steel.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on February 01, 2019, 10:12:46 AM
Flipper is still not irl because of the exploit
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 01, 2019, 10:28:30 AM
Flipper is still not irl because of the exploit

"Exploit?"
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on February 01, 2019, 10:37:07 AM
Sorry im confused, how is the bot invincible?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on February 01, 2019, 10:59:21 AM
Sorry im confused, how is the bot invincible?
Redalert Uses an exploit where ra2 doesnt show first component. Yet collision is there. That component has no hp


Flipper is still not irl because of the exploit

"Exploit?"

exploit where ra2 doesnt show first component. Yet collision is there. That component has no hp

Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: 090901 on February 01, 2019, 11:22:09 AM
ok i think what kix is trying to say is that he's attaching the poly panels directly to the chassis via RA2CF and due to how ra2 works any part that's attached directly to the chassis is invincible, it's also not a glitch that ra2 doesn't show the part, that just has to do with alwaysvisible being true or false in the .txt file.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 01, 2019, 12:04:19 PM
That's correct. Whenever the bot rolls into battle, the invincible panels are gone. In that sense, it's like an IRL bot because there are no collision meshes. It looks real.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on February 01, 2019, 12:17:23 PM
Yeah that aint legal in any IRL comp. No Host would ever allow that.
Although using invincible panels on that bot in particular wont help it. The very basic weapon and high ground clearance basically means every robot with a wedge just beats it JD.   
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2019, 12:19:59 PM
That's correct. Whenever the bot rolls into battle, the invincible panels are gone. In that sense, it's like an IRL bot because there are no collision meshes. It looks real.
The panels have no visual meshes, however they retain their collision meshes, which is exactly why they make the bot 'invincible' and also why the bot is not IRL legal. Invisible, invincible discs do not exist in the real world :P
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 01, 2019, 12:20:24 PM
That's why I don't plan on entering that bot into any tournaments.
...and you could make a bot in real life like it, where the panels show, but it wouldn't be invisible or invincible.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on February 01, 2019, 12:38:56 PM
That's why I don't plan on entering that bot into any tournaments.
...and you could make a bot in real life like it, where the panels show, but it wouldn't be invisible or invincible.
If your not gonna enter it into tournaments that fair game actually.
Personally I just dont find the appeal in an indestructible bot in the first place since whats the point of playing if you already know if you know your never gonna get destroyed or beaten. Sorta ruins the fun of the competition.



Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 01, 2019, 12:44:09 PM
That's why I don't plan on entering that bot into any tournaments.
...and you could make a bot in real life like it, where the panels show, but it wouldn't be invisible or invincible.
If your not gonna enter it into tournaments that fair game actually.
Personally I just dont find the appeal in an indestructible bot in the first place since whats the point of playing if you already know if you know your never gonna get destroyed or beaten. Sorta ruins the fun of the competition.

...now if it was like Pizza Party- invincible, but doesn't do damage, I can see that as fair.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: 09090901 on February 01, 2019, 01:50:42 PM
I'm honestly not sure why you guys are still responding
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 03, 2019, 02:30:23 PM
I'm honestly not sure why you guys are still responding

(No offense by any means)

Let me ask you this...
If I didn’t listen to advice...
>would I have mastered all the stock glitches?
>would I have learned the basic techniques of IRL?
> Would I have learned how to AI?
>Would I have learned how to minimize chassis size?
>Would I have learned to BFE?

There’s your proof that I listen to advice.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on February 03, 2019, 04:43:14 PM
I'm honestly not sure why you guys are still responding

(No offense by any means)

Let me ask you this...
If I didn’t listen to advice...
>would I have mastered all the stock glitches?
>would I have learned the basic techniques of IRL?
> Would I have learned how to AI?
>Would I have learned how to minimize chassis size?
>Would I have learned to BFE?

There’s your proof that I listen to advice.

Ok calm down big man.
There have been several instances where people have given you advice and you have ignored it. I don't know about the rest of the things you have mentioned but learning the basic IRL techniques is just the first step. I and many others have told you how to improve and you've either challenged our knowledge of the game or just said your bots would beat ours. Just calm down please.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 04, 2019, 09:22:05 AM
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 04, 2019, 09:23:21 AM
Stupid post restrictions...
Here's fights with KRII
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on February 04, 2019, 09:28:37 AM
You're limited for a reason...

Nonetheless, feels like you've actually made some progress in terms of your building. The MW flipper looks mostly solid though it may run out of batts in a fight that goes the full 3 mins.

Your VS is decent but TBH I think the old HS version is superior. The motor you're using for the VS is super underpowered. Try to get a perm 132 in there, or use a flatmotor if you're not opposed to using cheatbot parts
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 04, 2019, 09:36:00 AM
You're limited for a reason...

Nonetheless, feels like you've actually made some progress in terms of your building. The MW flipper looks mostly solid though it may run out of batts in a fight that goes the full 3 mins.

Your VS is decent but TBH I think the old HS version is superior. The motor you're using for the VS is super underpowered. Try to get a perm 132 in there, or use a flatmotor if you're not opposed to using cheat it parts

I'm not flaming, am I? Sorry if I am. I don't mean to flame when using caps.
Perms look ugly when sticking out. With how compact this bot is, it will be difficult to fit a bulky perm32 in there.

You would hate how slow the HS is.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on February 04, 2019, 09:38:35 AM
You're limited for a reason...

Nonetheless, feels like you've actually made some progress in terms of your building. The MW flipper looks mostly solid though it may run out of batts in a fight that goes the full 3 mins.

Your VS is decent but TBH I think the old HS version is superior. The motor you're using for the VS is super underpowered. Try to get a perm 132 in there, or use a flatmotor if you're not opposed to using cheat it parts

Perms look ugly when sticking out. With how compact this bot is, it will be difficult to fit a bulky perm32 in there.
Fair. That's why I also suggested the alternative of a flatmotor. They're very widely used for this exact kind of application in IRL building. Plenty of IRL VSes you can check out to see how exactly they're used.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 04, 2019, 09:40:42 AM
You're limited for a reason...

Nonetheless, feels like you've actually made some progress in terms of your building. The MW flipper looks mostly solid though it may run out of batts in a fight that goes the full 3 mins.

Your VS is decent but TBH I think the old HS version is superior. The motor you're using for the VS is super underpowered. Try to get a perm 132 in there, or use a flatmotor if you're not opposed to using cheat it parts

Perms look ugly when sticking out. With how compact this bot is, it will be difficult to fit a bulky perm32 in there.
Fair. That's why I also suggested the alternative of a flatmotor. They're very widely used for this exact kind of application in IRL building. Plenty of IRL VSes you can check out to see how exactly they're used.

I'll look into that. Thanks.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on February 04, 2019, 09:40:47 AM
You're limited for a reason...

Nonetheless, feels like you've actually made some progress in terms of your building. The MW flipper looks mostly solid though it may run out of batts in a fight that goes the full 3 mins.

Your VS is decent but TBH I think the old HS version is superior. The motor you're using for the VS is super underpowered. Try to get a perm 132 in there, or use a flatmotor if you're not opposed to using cheat it parts

Perms look ugly when sticking out. With how compact this bot is, it will be difficult to fit a bulky perm32 in there.
Fair. That's why I also suggested the alternative of a flatmotor. They're very widely used for this exact kind of application in IRL building. Plenty of IRL VSes you can check out to see how exactly they're used.
Also you may want to use small typhoon teeth for the disc, it may be generic, but it will do more damage than a saw. You don't need to, but if you want to do damage, use typhoon teeth
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 04, 2019, 09:42:09 AM
It has cutting teeth, the saws are more to protect the disk that connects the teeth to the motor.
I tried Typhoon teeth. They hit the ground.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on February 04, 2019, 09:42:57 AM
It has cutting teeth, the saws are more to protect the disk that connects the teeth to the motor.
I tried Typhoon teeth. They hit the ground.
Have you tried using a 10cm extender, and placing the typhoon teeth on that extender?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 04, 2019, 09:45:35 AM
Great idea. Reboot coming up!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 04, 2019, 12:01:29 PM
Wedge.
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5 mm. Steel, 245 kg.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on February 04, 2019, 12:03:32 PM
Wedge.
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5 mm. Steel, 245 kg.
Creative name/10
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 04, 2019, 12:11:08 PM
Wedge isn't the actual name. It's Abomination 7.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on February 04, 2019, 12:46:14 PM
Wedge isn't the actual name. It's Abomination 7.
Wedge is a better fitting name tho
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 04, 2019, 04:13:57 PM
If you say so...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on February 04, 2019, 04:27:37 PM
The pannels are very unclean. If you want to give it top pannels try getting one thats a better fit.
Also for a lightweight this thing would probably struggle. Spinners are a huge part of the lightweight meta game and so wedges are usually at a major disadvantage. Chassis bots in particular don't do great against them.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: 09090901 on February 04, 2019, 04:42:33 PM
you're still using too many batteries for everything that doesn't have bursts
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on February 04, 2019, 04:52:15 PM
Less batts for bots without bursts. Got it.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on March 13, 2019, 08:50:13 AM
One more DSL IRl bot I'm posting before I leave the forum. It is NOT a popup. It's a flipper like Sabotage.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on March 21, 2019, 09:05:43 AM
I'm back for a little bit...
...and with that, I have a new reboot of Denali Coven.

Twice the armor, batteries, and wedgelets (it has 12 this time, not 6.)

I already had comments about the paint job being a little sloppy, I'll fix that.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 01, 2019, 10:13:02 AM
Dumping off some bots here that I made for Tech Wars 1 before I leave again for a short while...
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Strength- good armor.
Weakness- slow.    too slow.    Lock Nut could outrun this bot.

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Strength- good armor.
Weakness- Srimech doesn't exactly work all the time, even though it's wired.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 01, 2019, 12:57:31 PM
Dumping off some bots here that I made for Tech Wars 1 before I leave again for a short while...
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Strength- good armor.
Weakness- slow.    too slow.    Lock Nut could outrun this bot.

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Strength- good armor.
Weakness- Srimech doesn't exactly work all the time, even though it's wired.
Ok so for the first bot, does it use TMWR2S and not TMWR2 drive motors?
Also for the other bot, is that a flipper? Because if so you probably wont need a srimech
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 02, 2019, 10:12:16 AM
Dumping off some bots here that I made for Tech Wars 1 before I leave again for a short while...
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Strength- good armor.
Weakness- slow.    too slow.    Lock Nut could outrun this bot.

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Strength- good armor.
Weakness- Srimech doesn't exactly work all the time, even though it's wired.
Ok so for the first bot, does it use TMWR2S and not TMWR2 drive motors?
Also for the other bot, is that a flipper? Because if so you probably wont need a srimech

TWM3R2 drives.

...and it's always good to have a Srimech button, in case your bot is Miss-AIed in a tournament or AI pack.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on April 02, 2019, 04:08:36 PM
Yeah but, flipper.py doesnt use srimech binding, except it uses Flip binding. Its coded that way
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 04, 2019, 08:54:16 AM
Yeah but, flipper.py doesnt use srimech binding, except it uses Flip binding. Its coded that way

True. Very true.
I'm talking about the omni binding.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 05, 2019, 10:27:15 AM
Have any of you tried my Tech Wars AI pack yet?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 08, 2019, 08:11:01 AM
X-ROGUE looks like this in DSL.
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10 mm. Aluminum.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 08, 2019, 08:14:37 AM
X-ROGUE looks like this in DSL.
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10 mm. Aluminum.
I suggest you make the bar bigger, and downgrade the armor to titanium 5
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 08, 2019, 08:23:07 AM
X-ROGUE looks like this in DSL.
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10 mm. Aluminum.
I suggest you make the bar bigger, and downgrade the armor to titanium 5

Yes, the but the chassis is too exposed for weaker armor.
The bar is actually 2 DSL 50x150 bars slapped together.
It does need to be bigger, but that would require a better weapon motor.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 08, 2019, 08:25:54 AM
X-ROGUE looks like this in DSL.
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10 mm. Aluminum.
I suggest you make the bar bigger, and downgrade the armor to titanium 5

Yes, the but the chassis is too exposed for weaker armor.
The bar is actually 2 DSL 50x150 bars slapped together.
It does need to be bigger, but that would require a better weapon motor.
No not really, you could have 1 200 or 250x50 bar and upgrade the armor, because then you get more reach
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 08, 2019, 08:36:27 AM
I'll try that.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 08, 2019, 08:51:34 AM
Here's the DSL version of X-STORM...
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on April 08, 2019, 10:56:35 AM
I gotta say your kinda improving  :claping nice

Unrelated to the bot that splash gives me big eye hurt.

The bot itself is ok

-bringing it up once again if you want to make a robot themed off something do it in a more subtle way instead of just getting a bunch of pictures from google and slapping them on the robot.

-the panel work is super messy and doesn't completely cover the sides of the robot which is super bad since it looks ugly and wont protect your bot as much

-I might be wrong but there appears to be some clipping with the batteries at the front but I don't have a good angle so who knows

-The back hammer support thing is really odd. Im not sure why you have a spike strip but generally it just makes a robot easier to hit if its long so I would maybe make it shorter
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 08, 2019, 12:03:18 PM
I gotta say your kinda improving  :claping nice

Unrelated to the bot that splash gives me big eye hurt.

The bot itself is ok

-bringing it up once again if you want to make a robot themed off something do it in a more subtle way instead of just getting a bunch of pictures from google and slapping them on the robot.

-the panel work is super messy and doesn't completely cover the sides of the robot which is super bad since it looks ugly and wont protect your bot as much

-I might be wrong but there appears to be some clipping with the batteries at the front but I don't have a good angle so who knows

-The back hammer support thing is really odd. Im not sure why you have a spike strip but generally it just makes a robot easier to hit if its long so I would maybe make it shorter

The top panels disappear when the bot enters a fight. It just looks messy in the botlab.
I tried to configure the panels so they form a shape similar to the wedge on Beta.

The spike strip actually acts like a tripwire, but it also acts as extra support.
It does need to be shorter.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 08, 2019, 12:24:46 PM
I gotta say your kinda improving  :claping nice

Unrelated to the bot that splash gives me big eye hurt.

The bot itself is ok

-bringing it up once again if you want to make a robot themed off something do it in a more subtle way instead of just getting a bunch of pictures from google and slapping them on the robot.

-the panel work is super messy and doesn't completely cover the sides of the robot which is super bad since it looks ugly and wont protect your bot as much

-I might be wrong but there appears to be some clipping with the batteries at the front but I don't have a good angle so who knows

-The back hammer support thing is really odd. Im not sure why you have a spike strip but generally it just makes a robot easier to hit if its long so I would maybe make it shorter

The top panels disappear when the bot enters a fight. It just looks messy in the botlab.
I tried to configure the panels so they form a shape similar to the wedge on Beta.

The spike strip actually acts like a tripwire, but it also acts as extra support.
It does need to be shorter.
You are once again, attaching armor to the chassis making it invincible and thus cheating, that aint gonna fly with most people
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 08, 2019, 01:25:33 PM
I gotta say your kinda improving  :claping nice

Unrelated to the bot that splash gives me big eye hurt.

The bot itself is ok

-bringing it up once again if you want to make a robot themed off something do it in a more subtle way instead of just getting a bunch of pictures from google and slapping them on the robot.

-the panel work is super messy and doesn't completely cover the sides of the robot which is super bad since it looks ugly and wont protect your bot as much

-I might be wrong but there appears to be some clipping with the batteries at the front but I don't have a good angle so who knows

-The back hammer support thing is really odd. Im not sure why you have a spike strip but generally it just makes a robot easier to hit if its long so I would maybe make it shorter

The top panels disappear when the bot enters a fight. It just looks messy in the botlab.
I tried to configure the panels so they form a shape similar to the wedge on Beta.

The spike strip actually acts like a tripwire, but it also acts as extra support.
It does need to be shorter.
You are once again, attaching armor to the chassis making it invincible and thus cheating, that aint gonna fly with most people

When you call a parsec again, I'll throw this bot in. You can expect to say goodbye to those armor plates. They won't be there.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 08, 2019, 01:37:22 PM
I gotta say your kinda improving  :claping nice

Unrelated to the bot that splash gives me big eye hurt.

The bot itself is ok

-bringing it up once again if you want to make a robot themed off something do it in a more subtle way instead of just getting a bunch of pictures from google and slapping them on the robot.

-the panel work is super messy and doesn't completely cover the sides of the robot which is super bad since it looks ugly and wont protect your bot as much

-I might be wrong but there appears to be some clipping with the batteries at the front but I don't have a good angle so who knows

-The back hammer support thing is really odd. Im not sure why you have a spike strip but generally it just makes a robot easier to hit if its long so I would maybe make it shorter

The top panels disappear when the bot enters a fight. It just looks messy in the botlab.
I tried to configure the panels so they form a shape similar to the wedge on Beta.

The spike strip actually acts like a tripwire, but it also acts as extra support.
It does need to be shorter.
You are once again, attaching armor to the chassis making it invincible and thus cheating, that aint gonna fly with most people

When you call a parsec again, I'll throw this bot in. You can expect to say goodbye to those armor plates. They won't be there.
Oh, signups are still open and it's 2 entries per person
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 08, 2019, 01:38:28 PM
Can you pm me the rules, please?
again, my discord app is busted.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 09, 2019, 08:43:23 AM
Blood Runner just got better.
This bot's in Tech Wars 2.
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5 mm. Plastic.
I still need to post Tech Wars, I know, and I plan to do that soon.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 09, 2019, 08:46:56 AM
Blood Runner just got better.
This bot's in Tech Wars 2.
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5 mm. Plastic.
I still need to post Tech Wars, I know, and I plan to do that soon.
ah yes, blood runner, known for its green color scheme. I think if you know how to skin components at least make them black and red like blood runner would be. Also if you made the wheels larger than it'll be like the actual blood runner, as it is meant to do damage while running over robots
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 09, 2019, 09:02:24 AM
Blood Runner just got better.
This bot's in Tech Wars 2.
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5 mm. Plastic.
I still need to post Tech Wars, I know, and I plan to do that soon.
ah yes, blood runner, known for its green color scheme. I think if you know how to skin components at least make them black and red like blood runner would be. Also if you made the wheels larger than it'll be like the actual blood runner, as it is meant to do damage while running over robots

Blod Runner isn't the actual name of this robot. It just looks like Blood Runner, but it's a LOT batter than BR.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: superbomb122 on April 09, 2019, 10:04:47 AM
That's a box alright
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on April 09, 2019, 11:46:20 AM
Ah yes blood runner. Known for being green.

As for the build i'm gonna be honest the original blood runner was just so much better.

The shape of the chassis was much more interesting and less boxy.

Really there isn't anything inherently wrong with the bot besides it shape but claiming you improved it is just straight up wrong.

Also its just boring. You get that with a lot of bots where they look clean but arent interesting enough to say it looks cool

Ok just realised you say its name isn't actually blood runner but point still stands blood runner is still better than this
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 09, 2019, 12:10:08 PM
Ah yes blood runner. Known for being green.

As for the build i'm gonna be honest the original blood runner was just so much better.

The shape of the chassis was much more interesting and less boxy.

Really there isn't anything inherently wrong with the bot besides it shape but claiming you improved it is just straight up wrong.

Also its just boring. You get that with a lot of bots where they look clean but arent interesting enough to say it looks cool

Ok just realised you say its name isn't actually blood runner but point still stands blood runner is still better than this

Yes, it
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w no

I'll fix that.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 10, 2019, 08:59:21 AM
This little bot is for my Spanish Class, since we're making a story involving 2 people making a robot and competing (but losing all their matches) in a BattleBots competition.
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Name's in Spanish.
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As you can tell, it's crap.

Also, I built a new spinner for X-ROGUE.
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4 Hypno teeth are equivalent to 2 Typhoon teeth.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 10, 2019, 09:13:31 AM
Double post...
Here's the Tech Wars 1 preview...
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I kept the most of the original BattleBots, but for Tech Wars 2, they'll be replaced with AWs, BWs, and an additional bot.

...and here are all the competing bots in Tech Wars 1
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 11, 2019, 08:09:26 AM
Don't Boter...
3 mm. Steel.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on April 11, 2019, 10:32:57 AM
Not really sure what weight this thing is but it looks quite flawed.
The lack of wheel guards means the wheels are gonna get blown apart.
The lack of a proper wedge means spinners will end this thing quick especially with such little armour.
The weapon is also quite limited in power as if its one pickaxe it wont be doing much.
The shape of the chassis is ok and better than your previous bots chassis but some extenders might be needed to spice things up.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 11, 2019, 10:34:55 AM
Not really sure what weight this thing is but it looks quite flawed.
The lack of wheel guards means the wheels are gonna get blown apart.
The lack of a proper wedge means spinners will end this thing quick especially with such little armour.
The weapon is also quite limited in power as if its one pickaxe it wont be doing much.
The shape of the chassis is ok and better than your previous bots chassis but some extenders might be needed to spice things up.

This is why Don't Boter gets "botered" a lot. It's good when it comes to getting opponents on the wedgelets, so it can then deliver solid hits, but everything else needs improvement.
It's supposed to be an IRL LW.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 12, 2019, 08:42:00 AM
The IRL world has too many Heavyweights.
I'm on a LW building spree.
Here's one of my best LW VS.
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3 mm. Titanium, 245 KG.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 12, 2019, 09:16:20 AM
The IRL world has too many Heavyweights.
I'm on a LW building spree.
Here's one of my best LW VS.
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3 mm. Titanium, 245 KG.
If you can, use 2 battle packs, also E teks are overkill for such a robot, and especially if they are sticking out of a robot
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 12, 2019, 09:21:02 AM
The IRL world has too many Heavyweights.
I'm on a LW building spree.
Here's one of my best LW VS.
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3 mm. Titanium, 245 KG.
If you can, use 2 battle packs, also E teks are overkill for such a robot, and especially if they are sticking out of a robot
That E-tek isn't overkill, but I do agree, it is exposed.
That 2-battlepack idea is also a great idea.
How about an Armored Perm-80?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on April 12, 2019, 10:31:37 AM
ok so errrrr.
cover up that motor or your gonna lose.
Thats really my only criticism since its just hanging out like that
but aside from that it looks pretty decent for a LW.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 12, 2019, 12:04:34 PM
ok so errrrr.
cover up that motor or your gonna lose.
Thats really my only criticism since its just hanging out like that
but aside from that it looks pretty decent for a LW.

Code said the same thing. How about an armored Perm 80?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on April 13, 2019, 09:16:20 AM
ok so errrrr.
cover up that motor or your gonna lose.
Thats really my only criticism since its just hanging out like that
but aside from that it looks pretty decent for a LW.

Code said the same thing. How about an armored Perm 80?
Have you ever used or heard of a flat motor? if so use that.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 17, 2019, 08:08:58 AM
New bot.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Badger on April 17, 2019, 08:42:58 AM
Not a fan of the motor poking out of the front. Apart from that it's great, I love the skin.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 17, 2019, 08:49:25 AM
I'm all about Paint jobs.
This is an improved version of the previous bot.
At least the weapon motor isn't nearly as exposed as the weapon motor on the previous version!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on April 17, 2019, 01:42:49 PM
The paint job is the worst part about it imo.
Look at Orcorp if you want to find out how to do skins well.
The bot itself is really neat though.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 17, 2019, 01:49:27 PM
The paint job is the worst part about it imo.
Look at Orcorp if you want to find out how to do skins well.
The bot itself is really neat though.

It's called, "tga-files-crash-computer-7-times-in-a-row."
I don't know why.

No one likes the same paint job, so I guess the appearance of this particular one just annoys you.

On the other hand, has the bot improved the way you wanted it to?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Badnik96 on April 17, 2019, 04:43:24 PM
stop using the ingame paint lab to skin

its actually trash
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: 09090901 on April 17, 2019, 05:40:57 PM
gtm can't stand the sight of women, who would've thought

also yes the in-game skinning system is bad. saving the skin as a 512x512 or 1024x1024 makes a big difference
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 18, 2019, 08:29:03 AM
stop using the ingame paint lab to skin

its actually trash

I'll take your word for it...

Anyway, here's my next bot...
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5 mm. Steel.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 18, 2019, 09:03:25 AM
gtm can't stand the sight of women, who would've thought

also yes the in-game skinning system is bad. saving the skin as a 512x512 or 1024x1024 makes a big difference

True. The larger the skin, the better it looks.

Here's a bot skin I made at that scale...
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Badnik96 on April 18, 2019, 10:14:55 PM
is it so hard to take a real screenshot
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: kix on April 20, 2019, 04:34:51 AM
Axe is messy
I like the chomp-like shape and enthusiasm
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 22, 2019, 08:47:22 AM
Axe is messy
I like the chomp-like shape and enthusiasm

No that I look at it, it does look a little messy. Thank you for pointing that out.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 22, 2019, 12:02:36 PM
Who says I'm a bad bot builder?
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on April 22, 2019, 02:02:22 PM
I actually kinda like it.
If you moved the 2 triangles on the front forwards could help it look a bit cleaner. The top panel also looks a bit messy. I presume you attached it to the chassis which is why non of the panels are connected right.
Pretty solid all around but as I said it just needs to have some cleaner extender/panel work which seems to be a reoccurring thing here.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 22, 2019, 02:03:17 PM
I actually kinda like it.
If you moved the 2 triangles on the front forwards could help it look a bit cleaner. The top panel also looks a bit messy. I presume you attached it to the chassis which is why non of the panels are connected right.
Pretty solid all around but as I said it just needs to have some cleaner extender/panel work which seems to be a reoccurring thing here.

How about all-black on the top?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 23, 2019, 09:29:04 AM
Fixed it.
I'll post it here shortly...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on April 23, 2019, 10:11:38 AM
If your gonna make it all one colour make it green but that still won't fix it being messy.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 23, 2019, 10:36:02 AM
If your gonna make it all one colour make it green but that still won't fix it being messy.

What looks messy about it?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 23, 2019, 10:50:50 AM
If your gonna make it all one colour make it green but that still won't fix it being messy.

What looks messy about it?
Misaligned panels n extenders, don't attach em to the chassis
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on April 23, 2019, 11:19:07 AM
If your gonna make it all one colour make it green but that still won't fix it being messy.

What looks messy about it?

The top panel has a bunch of misaligned plates.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Badnik96 on April 23, 2019, 02:27:35 PM
is it irl or dsl-s, that weapon gives me mixed signals
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 25, 2019, 06:16:41 AM
IRL.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 25, 2019, 08:35:53 AM
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How's this?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 25, 2019, 08:40:25 AM
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How's this?
Decent I guess
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 25, 2019, 08:46:26 AM
It's tougher than it looks.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on April 25, 2019, 08:50:24 AM
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How's this?
It's an improvement. There's still some misalignment on the top panel which you could fix, but it's a fair bit cleaner than it was. I agree with Badnik though the weapon feels a bit DSL-S ish to me. In particular the use of razors. It's a pretty silly complaint, but I think it would look (and possibly perform) better if you used pole spikes or something instead of razors. Aesthetics matter more in IRL than they do in other build styles, and razors are pretty ugly components. Switching them out would make the bot look a lot nicer I feel.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 25, 2019, 08:53:03 AM
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How's this?
It's an improvement. There's still some misalignment on the top panel which you could fix, but it's a fair bit cleaner than it was. I agree with Badnik though the weapon feels a bit DSL-S ish to me. In particular the use of razors. It's a pretty silly complaint, but I think it would look (and possibly perform) better if you used pole spikes or something instead of razors. Aesthetics matter more in IRL than they do in other build styles, and razors are pretty ugly components. Switching them out would make the bot look a lot nicer I feel.

True. Razors look and would be fragile In Real Life (IRL)
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 25, 2019, 12:02:51 PM
I wanted to try something different.
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395 KG, 3 mm. Titanium, 2 large typhoon teeth, and 2 E batteries.

Don't worry, there's a good bot on the way...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 25, 2019, 12:10:17 PM
I wanted to try something different.
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395 KG, 3 mm. Titanium, 2 large typhoon teeth, and 2 E batteries.

Don't worry, there's a good bot on the way...
From what I can tell it is a MW overhead with a 4 mag and 2 Astros, correct? Because that isn't really unique, also you can use 2 red batteries instead because then you got 10 more kilos to work with
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 25, 2019, 12:39:37 PM
I wanted to try something different.
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395 KG, 3 mm. Titanium, 2 large typhoon teeth, and 2 E batteries.

Don't worry, there's a good bot on the way...
From what I can tell it is a MW overhead with a 4 mag and 2 Astros, correct? Because that isn't really unique, also you can use 2 red batteries instead because then you got 10 more kilos to work with

You mean "red batteries" as in "battlepacks" right?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 25, 2019, 12:44:40 PM
I wanted to try something different.
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395 KG, 3 mm. Titanium, 2 large typhoon teeth, and 2 E batteries.

Don't worry, there's a good bot on the way...
From what I can tell it is a MW overhead with a 4 mag and 2 Astros, correct? Because that isn't really unique, also you can use 2 red batteries instead because then you got 10 more kilos to work with

You mean "red batteries" as in "battlepacks" right?
Yep
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 26, 2019, 08:17:04 AM
Sorry I didn't post internals of this bot, but...
name's E.P.I.X. Here's the paint job.
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10 mm. Steel, 4 npc fasts for drive, lifting forks on 2 of those pneumatic burst motors, 4 E batteries, and 3 Tornado wedges.
Better than it looks, so don't underestimate it.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 26, 2019, 08:34:21 AM
Sorry I didn't post internals of this bot, but...
name's E.P.I.X. Here's the paint job.
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10 mm. Steel, 4 npc fasts for drive, lifting forks on 2 of those pneumatic burst motors, 4 E batteries, and 3 Tornado wedges.
Better than it looks, so don't underestimate it.
Did you stack the wedges? Also
, also what do you have specifically for the bursts? Are they Shorts, mediums, or wide mediums?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 26, 2019, 08:41:12 AM
Sorry I didn't post internals of this bot, but...
name's E.P.I.X. Here's the paint job.
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10 mm. Steel, 4 npc fasts for drive, lifting forks on 2 of those pneumatic burst motors, 4 E batteries, and 3 Tornado wedges.
Better than it looks, so don't underestimate it.
Did you stack the wedges? Also
, also what do you have specifically for the bursts? Are they Shorts, mediums, or wide mediums?

They are wide-mediums, I think. They're definitely not short-mediums.
...and the Tornado wedges aren't stacked. They're put together legally, IRL-style.
Do you like the paintjob?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 26, 2019, 08:48:21 AM
Sorry I didn't post internals of this bot, but...
name's E.P.I.X. Here's the paint job.
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10 mm. Steel, 4 npc fasts for drive, lifting forks on 2 of those pneumatic burst motors, 4 E batteries, and 3 Tornado wedges.
Better than it looks, so don't underestimate it.
Did you stack the wedges? Also
, also what do you have specifically for the bursts? Are they Shorts, mediums, or wide mediums?

They are wide-mediums, I think. They're definitely not short-mediums.
...and the Tornado wedges aren't stacked. They're put together legally, IRL-style.
Do you like the paintjob?
It's meh, also the arms are terrible looking, maybe downgrade the armor to titanium 10 or aluminum 10 and make the lifting arms smaller or get rid of the spike strips and replace them with wedgelets because they look uggo
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 26, 2019, 08:55:49 AM
Sorry I didn't post internals of this bot, but...
name's E.P.I.X. Here's the paint job.
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10 mm. Steel, 4 npc fasts for drive, lifting forks on 2 of those pneumatic burst motors, 4 E batteries, and 3 Tornado wedges.
Better than it looks, so don't underestimate it.
Did you stack the wedges? Also
, also what do you have specifically for the bursts? Are they Shorts, mediums, or wide mediums?

They are wide-mediums, I think. They're definitely not short-mediums.
...and the Tornado wedges aren't stacked. They're put together legally, IRL-style.
Do you like the paintjob?
It's meh, also the arms are terrible looking, maybe downgrade the armor to titanium 10 or aluminum 10 and make the lifting arms smaller or get rid of the spike strips and replace them with wedgelets because they look uggo

Wait until if flips you.

I'm already creating a bot with better lifter arms. Wait for that one.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 26, 2019, 09:00:27 AM
Sorry I didn't post internals of this bot, but...
name's E.P.I.X. Here's the paint job.
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10 mm. Steel, 4 npc fasts for drive, lifting forks on 2 of those pneumatic burst motors, 4 E batteries, and 3 Tornado wedges.
Better than it looks, so don't underestimate it.
Did you stack the wedges? Also
, also what do you have specifically for the bursts? Are they Shorts, mediums, or wide mediums?

They are wide-mediums, I think. They're definitely not short-mediums.
...and the Tornado wedges aren't stacked. They're put together legally, IRL-style.
Do you like the paintjob?
It's meh, also the arms are terrible looking, maybe downgrade the armor to titanium 10 or aluminum 10 and make the lifting arms smaller or get rid of the spike strips and replace them with wedgelets because they look uggo

Wait until if flips you.

I'm already creating a bot with better lifter arms. Wait for that one.
Remember, looks.over effectiveness for IRL building
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 26, 2019, 09:07:02 AM
Sorry I didn't post internals of this bot, but...
name's E.P.I.X. Here's the paint job.
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10 mm. Steel, 4 npc fasts for drive, lifting forks on 2 of those pneumatic burst motors, 4 E batteries, and 3 Tornado wedges.
Better than it looks, so don't underestimate it.
Did you stack the wedges? Also
, also what do you have specifically for the bursts? Are they Shorts, mediums, or wide mediums?

They are wide-mediums, I think. They're definitely not short-mediums.
...and the Tornado wedges aren't stacked. They're put together legally, IRL-style.
Do you like the paintjob?
It's meh, also the arms are terrible looking, maybe downgrade the armor to titanium 10 or aluminum 10 and make the lifting arms smaller or get rid of the spike strips and replace them with wedgelets because they look uggo

Wait until if flips you.

I'm already creating a bot with better lifter arms. Wait for that one.
Remember, looks.over effectiveness for IRL building

I think that's easy to come by, but it's actually really hard!

Hey, TCRR, how exactly did Breaking Dawn lose in that tournament you hosted? Did it get flipped over?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 26, 2019, 09:10:54 AM
Sorry I didn't post internals of this bot, but...
name's E.P.I.X. Here's the paint job.
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10 mm. Steel, 4 npc fasts for drive, lifting forks on 2 of those pneumatic burst motors, 4 E batteries, and 3 Tornado wedges.
Better than it looks, so don't underestimate it.
Did you stack the wedges? Also
, also what do you have specifically for the bursts? Are they Shorts, mediums, or wide mediums?

They are wide-mediums, I think. They're definitely not short-mediums.
...and the Tornado wedges aren't stacked. They're put together legally, IRL-style.
Do you like the paintjob?
It's meh, also the arms are terrible looking, maybe downgrade the armor to titanium 10 or aluminum 10 and make the lifting arms smaller or get rid of the spike strips and replace them with wedgelets because they look uggo

Wait until if flips you.

I'm already creating a bot with better lifter arms. Wait for that one.
Remember, looks.over effectiveness for IRL building

I think that's easy to come by, but it's actually really hard!

Hey, TCRR, how exactly did Breaking Dawn lose in that tournament you hosted? Did it get flipped over?
That and it got pitted, your other bot won a JD against a spinner on damage
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 26, 2019, 09:16:39 AM
Funny, how my DSL IRL bots are never destroyed... They either get immobilized or pitted! :)
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 26, 2019, 09:30:13 AM
Funny, how my DSL IRL bots are never destroyed... They either get immobilized or pitted! :)
Also I forgot to mention this but x storm got killed by wreaker which is basically carbide if it were woke
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 26, 2019, 10:28:49 AM
Funny, how my DSL IRL bots are never destroyed... They either get immobilized or pitted! :)
Also I forgot to mention this but x storm got killed by wreaker which is basically carbide if it were woke

was it a close fight?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 26, 2019, 10:38:30 AM
Funny, how my DSL IRL bots are never destroyed... They either get immobilized or pitted! :)
Also I forgot to mention this but x storm got killed by wreaker which is basically carbide if it were woke

was it a close fight?
Basically it was tombstone vs beta, but beta died at the end and it's control board was smashed
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 26, 2019, 10:46:04 AM
Funny, how my DSL IRL bots are never destroyed... They either get immobilized or pitted! :)
Also I forgot to mention this but x storm got killed by wreaker which is basically carbide if it were woke

was it a close fight?
Basically it was tombstone vs beta, but beta died at the end and it's control board was smashed

I'll take that as a close one...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 29, 2019, 08:13:29 AM
Still think I'm bad at IRL?!
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on April 29, 2019, 08:19:57 AM
Still think I'm bad at IRL?!
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Design wise, it's actually really nice. It still suffers from that issue that a lot of your IRL bots have though in that your panel work is just a bit messy. You're definitely on the right track, but try to reduce those ugly seams and overhangs between panels as much as possible
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 29, 2019, 08:28:05 AM
Still think I'm bad at IRL?!
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Design wise, it's actually really nice. It still suffers from that issue that a lot of your IRL bots have though in that your panel work is just a bit messy. You're definitely on the right track, but try to reduce those ugly seams and overhangs between panels as much as possible

Those beams actually make it really tough, they're all steel.

I guess it still looks messy, as you said. I'll change that.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on April 29, 2019, 10:31:27 AM
same thoughts as robo.
really cool design but messy once again although thats pretty much all your bots.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 29, 2019, 12:00:50 PM
It's because I'm so devoted to performance over looks, as in Unrealistic.
Here's mALICE...
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That plate on the top guards the most vulnerable spot in the design.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 29, 2019, 12:07:33 PM
It's because I'm so devoted to performance over looks, as in Unrealistic.
Here's mALICE...
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That plate on the top guards the most vulnerable spot in the design.
Use a flatmotor for the weapon motor
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 29, 2019, 12:21:29 PM
A perm?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on April 29, 2019, 01:49:43 PM
It's because I'm so devoted to performance over looks, as in Unrealistic.

I don think thats really the best way to go for the IRL meta. At least in my eyes I think DSL IRL is more about making your bots look good. Stock and DSL-S is a better place to go for being competitive since thats what the meta is about but I dunno Im not saying people shouldn't try make strong machines but looks should be first priority and messy bots always look bad in IRL tournaments. I wouldn't call that bot unrealistic since it has characteristics more in line with IRL but still that bot having messy extender work is the only thing keeping me from really liking it.

The green vert is ok. It looks like its very underwhelming really since its a very basic shape with a pretty weak little weapon. If the bot had some extenders or stuff to add stuff to the bots chassis it could look a bit better.

Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 29, 2019, 01:58:21 PM
Thanks. That helps. I'll look into less of the "funky extender work" style, and try just using panels.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 30, 2019, 09:30:18 AM
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This bot's really dull on the inside, but the paintjob looks cool!
3 mm. titanium.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 30, 2019, 09:31:31 AM
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This bot's really dull on the inside, but the paintjob looks cool!
3 mm. titanium.
You already showed off this bot
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 30, 2019, 12:42:06 PM
Sorry for spamming it, then...
IRL MW HS. Sledgehammers don't touch the wheels.
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1 mm. Steel actually isn't too bad, it's slightly stronger than 3 mm. Plastic...
395 kg.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on April 30, 2019, 12:47:03 PM
Sorry for spamming it, then...
IRL MW HS. Sledgehammers don't touch the wheels.
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1 mm. Steel actually isn't too bad, it's slightly stronger than 3 mm. Plastic...
395 kg.
You'll need cross-supports between the bars of the tribar like Son of Whyachi has for that to be IRL legal. That tribar is way too spindly to hold those massive hammers on its own
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on April 30, 2019, 01:35:38 PM
Sorry for spamming it, then...
IRL MW HS. Sledgehammers don't touch the wheels.
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1 mm. Steel actually isn't too bad, it's slightly stronger than 3 mm. Plastic...
395 kg.
You'll need cross-supports between the bars of the tribar like Son of Whyachi has for that to be IRL legal. That tribar is way too spindly to hold those massive hammers on its own

I'll look into that...
I fail to see what's so bad about the tribar I have... I built one out of legos like that, and it was surprisingly nimble...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on April 30, 2019, 01:44:39 PM
Sorry for spamming it, then...
IRL MW HS. Sledgehammers don't touch the wheels.
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1 mm. Steel actually isn't too bad, it's slightly stronger than 3 mm. Plastic...
395 kg.
You'll need cross-supports between the bars of the tribar like Son of Whyachi has for that to be IRL legal. That tribar is way too spindly to hold those massive hammers on its own

I'll look into that...
I fail to see what's so bad about the tribar I have... I built one out of legos like that, and it was surprisingly nimble...
It is thin and it has no side supports
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 01, 2019, 08:27:22 AM
How about this- I'll design one out of 3d, or out of something else, like legos, and add weapons to it. I'll attach it to a robot, spin it up real fast, and have it strike an object repeatedly. If it breaks, I'll replace it. But if it stays together, then that tribar is staying put.

Here's an antweight. This tribar looks good on an AW.
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1 mm. Titanium. Exactly 125.0 kg.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 01, 2019, 12:00:42 PM
New bot. 5 mm. Steel, 800.0 KG.
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I like how clear the paintjob is!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 01, 2019, 03:05:02 PM
I actually like it.
The design is a bit basic but I can see you tried to make it a bit more interesting.
The hammer setup is weird but once again not bad.
The skin is good and im glad you've sorta made them cleaner and more readable.
The extender work is clean if not a bit simple.

I can really see the improvement man keep it up.
The only advice I would give is to further make the bot more interesting.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 02, 2019, 08:14:01 AM
Good to hear! :)
Here's a BW drum. 171.9 KG, and....I forgot the armor.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 02, 2019, 08:54:48 AM
Good to hear! :)
Here's a BW drum. 171.9 KG, and....I forgot the armor.
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Use a flatmotor, they are more powerful and lighter
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 02, 2019, 08:59:16 AM
You mean the Perm-80 motor?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 02, 2019, 09:08:07 AM
You mean the Perm-80 motor?
No, type in cheatbot2, check the motors and you'll find flatmotors
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheRoboteer on May 02, 2019, 09:09:18 AM
Good to hear! :)
Here's a BW drum. 171.9 KG, and....I forgot the armor.
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Use a flatmotor, they are more powerful and lighter
You need to stop giving Redalert this piece of 'advice'. He made quite clear a while back that he doesn't want to use CB2 components, which is fine.

To give some actual feedback, I don't think you'll be able to fit a perm 80 with how you've got the chassis laid out, but honestly a piglet shouldn't be too too bad on a BW anyway. It's a pretty decent effort all in all. Your internals are nicely compacted and everything. Certainly no cardinal sins here
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 02, 2019, 09:09:37 AM
Where can I download Cheatbot 2?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 02, 2019, 09:12:34 AM
Good to hear! :)
Here's a BW drum. 171.9 KG, and....I forgot the armor.
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Use a flatmotor, they are more powerful and lighter
You need to stop giving Redalert this piece of 'advice'. He made quite clear a while back that he doesn't want to use CB2 components, which is fine
Oh yeah sh** I forgot about that
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 02, 2019, 09:23:01 AM
Would using a flatmotor make the bot a cheatbot?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 02, 2019, 09:33:22 AM
Would using a flatmotor make the bot a cheatbot?
as in illegal? for most IRL tourneys, they are legal
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 02, 2019, 10:04:54 AM
Would using a flatmotor make the bot a cheatbot?
as in illegal? for most IRL tourneys, they are legal

Well, this little drum spinner is going into that LDAI pack Hoppin's making, so...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 02, 2019, 12:28:44 PM
Much better. 3 batteries this time...
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Better armor at the cost of lighter wheels.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 03, 2019, 08:54:05 AM
Fighting Twilight Forever...
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That little drum does so much damage, but it spins so fast, that the gyroscopic forces it generates can flip and tip Twilight Forever over.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 03, 2019, 10:09:02 AM
thoughts?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 03, 2019, 12:05:36 PM
Another IRL bot. Focused entirely on reliability, armor, and the (sweet) paintjob.
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I rebuilt the weapon. It's much better.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 04, 2019, 01:26:18 AM
The bot is really simple.
The chassis is pretty much a box with a slight dip in it which is just boring.
The weapon is pretty good although the second one makes the lady on the skin look like she's got a dick.
The skin is average. I wouldn't call it 'sweet' but it's just ok.
Really this bot is just underwhelming compared to some of your other bots.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 06, 2019, 08:15:19 AM
Yeah, but it's a good fighter!

I'm already making a different design for this bot.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 06, 2019, 11:54:40 AM
Yeah, but it's a good fighter!

I'm already making a different design for this bot.

Ngl that design would get destroyed by most bots in IRL tournaments
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 06, 2019, 12:03:16 PM
Just in time. I rebooted it. Still has Tit.10, but it's much better now.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 06, 2019, 12:12:19 PM
Just in time. I rebooted it. Still has Tit.10, but it's much better now.
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Ok that Is decent
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 06, 2019, 12:32:37 PM
Glad you like it. I'll post it in the Bot Exchange.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 06, 2019, 12:59:49 PM
Just in time. I rebooted it. Still has Tit.10, but it's much better now.
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It looks alright. I quite like the shape even if the skin is still weird.
Because of where the forks are placed no hot is going to drive up the flipper. I would either move the bursts forward and have a smaller flipped or change the forks so bots go over the flipper.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 06, 2019, 01:42:51 PM
The forks are designed to help the bot beat other flippers.
Yes, they need to be removed.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 06, 2019, 01:54:36 PM
The forks are designed to help the bot beat other flippers.
Yes, they need to be removed.
I'm not sure they're gonna help against flippers since they're static.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 07, 2019, 08:32:12 AM
Okay, now that I noticed, the fork designs are actually not bad...
The flipper sticks out far enough, and bots that are stopped by the forks are firmly situated on the flipper.
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Wow! this bot really flips!
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...and destroys!
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 07, 2019, 10:35:32 AM
Okay, now that I noticed, the fork designs are actually not bad...
The flipper sticks out far enough, and bots that are stopped by the forks are firmly situated on the flipper.
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Wow! this bot really flips!
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...and destroys!
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I think its just a waste of weight tbh. Because a solid 1/2 of the flipper isnt being used. I would move the bursts forward so you have a shorter flipping arm which would save weight.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 07, 2019, 12:07:55 PM
True...
Oh, and I believe I invented this!

It's called a "TumbleDrum" bot. It's basically putting a Full-body Spinner on its side.
TumbleDrums use weapon motors for both the weapon and the drive.
Unlike other bots, TumbleDrums won't be thrown off-balance if they lose any weapons on the drum.
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This TumbleDrum weighs 800.0 KG, and has 10 mm. Titanium armor.

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TumbleDrums move around by turning with only one motor. When the robot slams into reverse while spinning the drum, it will move back a bit.

>Strengths- TumbleDrums are thick, well-armed, and VERY difficult to juggle and flip because the juggler would have to hit the chassis, which is, unfortunately, the body of the TumbleDrum, right where the weapons are.

>weaknesses TumbleDrums cannot drive forward. They rely on opponents attacking them straigt-on. Once an opponent is in reach, however the TumbleDrum can steer towards the opponent and deliver some nasty hits.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Dreamcast on May 07, 2019, 12:11:59 PM
It looks ok, if you want to make it more of a fighter you can look at some old full body drums for inspiration.

You might also want to incorporate some kind of "legs" if you're going for IRL.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 07, 2019, 12:13:56 PM
Built it out of legos. This thing works in real life.
It does look rather unattractive in IRL, though... it's like a big "football" on wheels...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 07, 2019, 12:14:10 PM
True...
Oh, and I believe I invented this!

It's called a "TumbleDrum" bot. It's basically putting a Full-body Spinner on its side.
TumbleDrums use weapon motors for both the weapon and the drive.
Unlike other bots, TumbleDrums won't be thrown off-balance if they lose any weapons on the drum.
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This TumbleDrum weighs 800.0 KG, and has 10 mm. Titanium armor.

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TumbleDrums move around by turning with only one motor. When the robot slams into reverse while spinning the drum, it will move back a bit.

>Strengths- TumbleDrums are thick, well-armed, and VERY difficult to juggle and flip because the juggler would have to hit the chassis, which is, unfortunately, the body of the TumbleDrum, right where the weapons are.

>weaknesses TumbleDrums cannot drive forward. They rely on opponents attacking them straigt-on. Once an opponent is in reach, however the TumbleDrum can steer towards the opponent and deliver some nasty hits.
Tumble Drums are just Torque Reaction Full Body Drums
https://wiki.gametechmods.com/index.php?title=TRFBD
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 07, 2019, 12:18:18 PM
Ah. This bot should be posted in RA2 wiki, then. It's a perfect example.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Time to look for something IRL legal to invent that hasn't been made yet- Wandering Spinners are not tournament legal, and InvinciRammers are unrealistic.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 07, 2019, 12:54:29 PM
Ah. This bot should be posted in RA2 wiki, then. It's a perfect example.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Time to look for something IRL legal to invent that hasn't been made yet- Wandering Spinners are not tournament legal, and InvinciRammers are unrealistic.
Look, the reason why you can't invent stuff that's legal in IRL building is because there is nothing new to invent, Snares are clamps (trust me I know) Wandering spinners are ideas from a long time ago that someone else made, then you rediscovered them under a new name, Invincirammers are just rammers with chassis mounted armor, which anything mounted to the chassis is invincible thus making it a clear exploit of the rules making it illegal. You want to invent stuff but I think before you invent stuff you should try to perfect the bot types there are, like vertical spinners, rammers, flippers, hammers, you want to think your bots are perfect but they are far from it (well idk about your stock bots because I haven't played it for a bit and nobody else is playing stock to compare you to) you need to improve with your robots, and before you go inventing anymore bot types you need to perfect the ones there are.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Dark-Al on May 07, 2019, 01:51:34 PM
Ah. This bot should be posted in RA2 wiki, then. It's a perfect example.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Time to look for something IRL legal to invent that hasn't been made yet- Wandering Spinners are not tournament legal, and InvinciRammers are unrealistic.
Look, the reason why you can't invent stuff that's legal in IRL building is because there is nothing new to invent, Snares are clamps (trust me I know) Wandering spinners are ideas from a long time ago that someone else made, then you rediscovered them under a new name, Invincirammers are just rammers with chassis mounted armor, which anything mounted to the chassis is invincible thus making it a clear exploit of the rules making it illegal. You want to invent stuff but I think before you invent stuff you should try to perfect the bot types there are, like vertical spinners, rammers, flippers, hammers, you want to think your bots are perfect but they are far from it (well idk about your stock bots because I haven't played it for a bit and nobody else is playing stock to compare you to) you need to improve with your robots, and before you go inventing anymore bot types you need to perfect the ones there are.
I have agree with what Code Red said. It's clear that you haven't really done any research into the forums to see what other users have created. I can't blame you for the fact that you might of not known that users like Squirrel_Monkey had created a one wheeled spinner just like the ones you make now from years ago. But even after we flat out tell you about if your creation has already been made, just variations of already existing bots or even flat out tournament illegal, your ego kicks in and starts making a fuss about insisting that you "invented" it, claim it's only for fun and dismiss a lot of what we have to say, instead taking our word and realise the truth. Get out of your ego and look for the truth. It's not difficult.

There's nothing stopping you from experimenting with new bot combinations. Sure, go ahead and invent a side hammer with moving saw-blades, a flipper that shoots flames when it flips or a variation of punching spinner. But seriously, do your research on the forums to see what's been invented already, what's tournament legal, and actually take the word of all of us here on gametechmods, before "inventing" a new bot type and dismiss most views that prove you otherwise.

Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: superbomb122 on May 07, 2019, 02:34:45 PM
Welp, that's a boring and frankly ugly rolling pin
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Badnik96 on May 07, 2019, 02:46:14 PM
i cant believe madman3 doesnt exist
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Hoppin on May 07, 2019, 05:23:20 PM
If this is IRL, it's not legal. There's no way this'll move in real life. It needs something to push against.

Either way. You're actually retarded. I could give you all the advice the others are giving, but you'll still do this
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: superbomb122 on May 07, 2019, 05:38:31 PM
If this is IRL, it's not legal. There's no way this'll move in real life. It needs something to push against.

Either way. You're actually retarded. I could give you all the advice the others are giving, but you'll still do this
inb4 Redalert calls you ToXIc
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Hoppin on May 07, 2019, 05:38:57 PM
If this is IRL, it's not legal. There's no way this'll move in real life. It needs something to push against.

Either way. You're actually retarded. I could give you all the advice the others are giving, but you'll still do this
inb4 Redalert calls you ToXIc

haha, I know that man, plus I could make a suicide joke
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: GIRTHQUAKE on May 07, 2019, 05:52:30 PM
Guys, on a scale from 1-Autism, we're at a 9, can we bring it down to a 5 or 6 maximum please, we're in public.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 08, 2019, 08:14:43 AM
If this is IRL, it's not legal. There's no way this'll move in real life. It needs something to push against.

Either way. You're actually retarded. I could give you all the advice the others are giving, but you'll still do this
inb4 Redalert calls you ToXIc

haha, I know that man, plus I could make a suicide joke

Hey, I could build a working version in real life. Trust me. I'll show it to you.

...and how am I supposed to know if something's invented or not, when it hasn't been mentioned to me until last second?
I know I invented Wandering Spinners because they have never been mentioned before, and are definitely new


Enough controversy, here's TumbleDrum mini.
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3 mm. Aluminum, 6 beater bars.
Spins so fast, it warps!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 08, 2019, 08:53:57 AM
If this is IRL, it's not legal. There's no way this'll move in real life. It needs something to push against.

Either way. You're actually retarded. I could give you all the advice the others are giving, but you'll still do this
inb4 Redalert calls you ToXIc

haha, I know that man, plus I could make a suicide joke

Hey, I could build a working version in real life. Trust me. I'll show it to you.

...and how am I supposed to know if something's invented or not, when it hasn't been mentioned to me until last second?
I know I invented Wandering Spinners because they have never been mentioned before, and are definitely new


Enough controversy, here's TumbleDrum mini.
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3 mm. Aluminum, 6 beater bars.
Spins so fast, it warps!
Still not IRL legal since the design wouldn't work in IRL.
The rest of the bot is just really ugly and wouldn't even do that well against bots in most tournaments
So not to be rude but to summarise
-its ugly
-its not IRL
-its weak
Brush moment
Definitely not one of your best builds.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 08, 2019, 09:04:01 AM
It's ugly
It's not IRL
It's weak.... fight it!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 08, 2019, 09:08:39 AM
It's ugly
It's not IRL
It's weak.... fight it!
What if it faced a HS? then the discs could be torn right off!
But that's besides the point, IRL is all about LOOKS, NOT EFFECTIVENESS
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Dark-Al on May 08, 2019, 09:51:49 AM
...and how am I supposed to know if something's invented or not, when it hasn't been mentioned to me until last second?
I know I invented Wandering Spinners because they have never been mentioned before, and are definitely new
I removed the extender mounting the drive and weapon motor and mounted the snapper sideways:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/10655Dream Eater 2.png)
CRAZY!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: KidDelta on May 08, 2019, 10:00:48 AM
...and how am I supposed to know if something's invented or not, when it hasn't been mentioned to me until last second?
I know I invented Wandering Spinners because they have never been mentioned before, and are definitely new
"I Invented this drink called Pepsi, it tastes like Coke, but I renamed it, meaning it's original and so I invented a new kind of drink"
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 08, 2019, 10:25:17 AM
It's ugly
It's not IRL
It's weak.... fight it!
I would but it dosnt fit into any meta
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: TheOrcCorp on May 08, 2019, 10:27:36 AM
...and how am I supposed to know if something's invented or not, when it hasn't been mentioned to me until last second?
I know I invented Wandering Spinners because they have never been mentioned before, and are definitely new
"I Invented this drink called Pepsi, it tastes like Coke, but I renamed it, meaning it's original and so I invented a new kind of drink"
RedAlert's "inventions" remind me of N.Brio from Mind Over Mutant :laughing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XDYtP3RZiI
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 08, 2019, 10:36:11 AM
...and how am I supposed to know if something's invented or not, when it hasn't been mentioned to me until last second?
I know I invented Wandering Spinners because they have never been mentioned before, and are definitely new
"I Invented this drink called Pepsi, it tastes like Coke, but I renamed it, meaning it's original and so I invented a new kind of drink"
RedAlert's "inventions" remind me of N.Brio from Mind Over Mutant :laughing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XDYtP3RZiI

How are you supposed to know if something exists, if you have never seen it until now?

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What if it faced a HS? then the discs could be torn right off!
But that's besides the point, IRL is all about LOOKS, NOT EFFECTIVENESS
I was trying to base it off IRL looks. If I wanted it to be more effective, I'd remove the plates on the drive disks, and swap out the sledgehammers for a ton or razors.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 08, 2019, 10:39:24 AM
...and how am I supposed to know if something's invented or not, when it hasn't been mentioned to me until last second?
I know I invented Wandering Spinners because they have never been mentioned before, and are definitely new
"I Invented this drink called Pepsi, it tastes like Coke, but I renamed it, meaning it's original and so I invented a new kind of drink"
RedAlert's "inventions" remind me of N.Brio from Mind Over Mutant :laughing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XDYtP3RZiI

How are you supposed to know if something exists, if you have never seen it until now?

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What if it faced a HS? then the discs could be torn right off!
But that's besides the point, IRL is all about LOOKS, NOT EFFECTIVENESS
I was trying to base it off IRL looks. If I wanted it to be more effective, I'd remove the plates on the drive disks, and swap out the sledgehammers for a ton or razors.
We have seen your bot ideas before, this link is showing exactly what you are thinking about, but this bot type was made in 2004! https://wiki.gametechmods.com/index.php?title=TRFBD
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 08, 2019, 10:47:02 AM
Can y'all stop this comment chain.
I got a job as a showcase mod to tell y'all to shut up.
I gotta make Gooce proud
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 08, 2019, 12:04:28 PM
Yes, code, I saw the web page. I was just posting a smaller TRFBD of TumbleDrum. What you told me was that TumbleDrum is a TRFBD, not a new bot type.

Can y'all stop this comment chain.
I got a job as a showcase mod to tell y'all to shut up.
I gotta make Gooce proud
Thanks, Pokerbro.

Anyway, I've been looking for a WS combination that's the most reliable, and here it is.
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Needs more IRL. I'm considering a really attractive paintjob. (because WS are honestly boring without details.)
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 08, 2019, 02:26:20 PM
Yeah I wouldn't really class that as IRL in anyway
I mean Im pretty sure it would be DSL-S.

I know youve said before that wandering spinners arent for IRL tournaments but you have made IRL variants which is why it might come across as though its what your doing.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: 09090901 on May 08, 2019, 05:53:30 PM
hey dark al, just a heads up

redalert wasn't the one who down repped you

that is all.

also redalert, you're still using too many batteries. you're probably not gonna listen, but I need an excuse to make this post
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 09, 2019, 08:14:02 AM
Rule #1 of building WS. Always overpower the motors!
It's different for other bots because they can directly attack an opponent, but WS need time, and that "time" is achieved through multiple batteries.

Rebuilt Twilight Forever.
Everything's stronger, and it's not much of a "box" anymore.
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More batteries+better power!
It can last up to 3 1/2 minutes now before dying.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 09, 2019, 10:28:02 AM
Rule #1 of building WS. Always overpower the motors!
It's different for other bots because they can directly attack an opponent, but WS need time, and that "time" is achieved through multiple batteries.

Rebuilt Twilight Forever.
Everything's stronger, and it's not much of a "box" anymore.
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More batteries+better power!
It can last up to 3 1/2 minutes now before dying.


Its alright. not much to say other than to hide that exposed motor.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 09, 2019, 10:29:52 AM
Yeah, I wanted to slide the drum up a bit, so it could have a better chance of striking opponents.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 09, 2019, 10:35:00 AM
Yeah, I wanted to slide the drum up a bit, so it could have a better chance of striking opponents.

Still it looks ugly and probably does worse against the opponents since they can just hit the motor and the weapon being pushed forward wont help it.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 09, 2019, 12:06:10 PM
Got it. Thank you...



I have another couple fights to post.
It's called, "The AW goes "BOOM."
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...and... oh, look. Bella's Future inflicts damage!
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 10, 2019, 08:43:17 AM
Wandering Spinner with 3 mm. Titanium and that weighs 397 KG.
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...Oh, and I did more fights...
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 10, 2019, 08:47:18 AM
Wandering Spinner with 3 mm. Titanium and that weighs 397 KG.
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...Oh, and I did more fights...
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It needs more supports on the sides, I suggest trying to use extenders and angle peices, It may seem a bit difficult but hopefully the end result will make up for it
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 10, 2019, 08:48:09 AM
What about wedgelets? They'll help the WS stay stable...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 10, 2019, 08:49:20 AM
What about wedgelets? They'll help the WS stay stable...
you arent gonna be winning any wedge wars with a WS, they have no drivepower so just add supports and you'll be golden
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 10, 2019, 08:50:39 AM
What about wedgelets? They'll help the WS stay stable...
you arent gonna be winning any wedge wars with a WS, they have no drivepower so just add supports and you'll be golden

That's what I meant- the wedgelets would be there to keep the WS stable, not to have it get under opponents...
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 10, 2019, 08:52:24 AM
What about wedgelets? They'll help the WS stay stable...
you arent gonna be winning any wedge wars with a WS, they have no drivepower so just add supports and you'll be golden

That's what I meant- the wedgelets would be there to keep the WS stable, not to have it get under opponents...
Wedglets that aren't for wedging
nice
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 10, 2019, 08:53:13 AM
What about wedgelets? They'll help the WS stay stable...
you arent gonna be winning any wedge wars with a WS, they have no drivepower so just add supports and you'll be golden

That's what I meant- the wedgelets would be there to keep the WS stable, not to have it get under opponents...
Wedglets that aren't for wedging
























nice
it is indeed a Galaxy brain move
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 13, 2019, 09:06:12 AM
Rebooted Twilight Forever. Drum's farther back.
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...and Vampire Forever's much better with a geared Beta.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 13, 2019, 09:08:46 AM
Rebooted Twilight Forever. Drum's farther back.
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...and Vampire Forever's much better with a geared Beta.
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Neither look terrible but does VF have counterweights on the axe? Those are essential to self righting
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 14, 2019, 08:50:08 AM
Nope. I'll look into that.

Here's Vampire Forever smashing a FBS.
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Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 16, 2019, 09:12:46 AM
Building a compact MW WS with Typhoon teeth.

1. Chassis as shown. Armor is 1 mm. Steel.
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Gearmotor is up a notch. Tornado Mer is up 4 notches.
Wire the WS with a switch titled "Activate," and 3 buttons titled "Spin" "Fire" and "Srimech." All of these spin the weapon motor clockwise, and the drive motor counterclockwise.

3. Add the shell.
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4. Add the largest circular SmartZone and title it "weapon." This will boost the weapon and drive motors on the WS when it's close to an opponent.
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5. DONE!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 16, 2019, 10:56:58 AM
I wouldnt put this in your showcase.
but then again we dont need a whole thread for it.
really we just dont need this.

I think what you dont understand is that a WS is just a 1 wheeled full body spinner.
I did originally think there might have been more differences but looking at this guide it sorta just shows how stupid this whole claim of a wandering spinner a new special bot type.

as for the bot itself that is a lot of typhoon spam 100% people in most tournaments wouldn't allow that.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 17, 2019, 08:14:33 AM
It's not so much that a one-wheeled WS is definitely a WS, but any Disk WS like the ones that use drums for wheels are definitely new, and they're definitely Wandering Spinners.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 17, 2019, 08:32:20 AM
It's not so much that a one-wheeled WS is definitely a WS, but any Disk WS like the ones that use drums for wheels are definitely new, and they're definitely Wandering Spinners.
Even if they are new it doesn't mean it's good, with a WS you add so much extra battery life or add discs that weigh more than regular wheels do, so that means wandering spinner have no benefits whatsoever and that means you can finally just make normal bot types and not try to Invent stuff. Everything has been invented, so just focus on the bot types there already are instead of trying to invent stuff because there is nothing new to invent, this game has been out for 16 years and everything has been invented. Ok?
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: superbomb122 on May 17, 2019, 11:20:16 AM
It's not so much that a one-wheeled WS is definitely a WS, but any Disk WS like the ones that use drums for wheels are definitely new, and they're definitely Wandering Spinners.
So every hugeclone is a wandering vertical spinner extrem0r...
Got it then

Look, stop doing these stupid "new" designs. They aren't practical, they aren't good-looking, and worst of all for you, they aren't new. Focus on making bots that look good and perform decently before saying you're some great inventor of things.

Or stick to learning stock. Either way.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 17, 2019, 12:29:15 PM
It's not so much that a one-wheeled WS is definitely a WS, but any Disk WS like the ones that use drums for wheels are definitely new, and they're definitely Wandering Spinners.

Redalert changing the wheels on a bot to be drums does not make a new bot type.
I dont think thats even a matter of opinion its just not a new bot type.
There has definatley been people who have done it before and theres a reason nobody uses them.

by the description you gave now it seems all a WS is just a FBS with less control over its moment which adds 0 benefit.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 22, 2019, 09:36:08 AM
Look into depth on it. I can't really explain the differences, and I'll post a vid to better explain it.

Here's a BW clamp. 175 KG, 1 mm. Titanium.
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Yes, I know the drive train is crooked, but it's the best I can do on a bot with this tiny of a chassis.

...and here's a cool HS called Killer Flower.
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799 KG, 5 mm. Steel.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 22, 2019, 09:57:57 AM
I can't really explain the differences

Then maybe you shouldn't claim to have made a new type of bot if you dont even know what it is you've 'invented



The first bot is ok. Farley standard but the skirt as a wedge isnt IRL legall since people banned them in most tournaments for whatever reason.


Killer Flower would be nice but there is way too many typhoon teeth and once again wont be accepted into most tournaments.
I mean not like I can really judge it since 90% of the bot is obscured by the disc at that angle.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 22, 2019, 10:01:32 AM
I can't really explain the differences

Then maybe you shouldn't claim to have made a new type of bot if you dont even know what it is you've 'invented



The first bot is ok. Farley standard but the skirt as a wedge isnt IRL legall since people banned them in most tournaments for whatever reason.


Killer Flower would be nice but there is way too many typhoon teeth and once again wont be accepted into most tournaments.
I mean not like I can really judge it since 90% of the bot is obscured by the disc at that angle.

Yeah. In fact, Killer Flower's part that's most damaged in a fight is that spinner disk.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: F1Krazy on May 22, 2019, 11:56:37 AM
I think what Pokebro's trying to get at is: could we get a picture of Killer Flower where we can actually see the body, without the disc in the way?

That BW clamp actually doesn't look that bad, tbh. A little messy in places, but it looks compact enough, and in a weight class dominated by overhead bar spinners, it definitely stands out. It might just be my favourite DSL build of yours so far.

Your DSL builds are definitely at their best when you stop trying so hard to be unique and trend-setting and just... build normally. I still think, with the kind of effort you put into your WS builds, you could actually become a pretty good IRL builder if you just put your mind to it.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 23, 2019, 12:28:43 PM
I think what Pokebro's trying to get at is: could we get a picture of Killer Flower where we can actually see the body, without the disc in the way?

That BW clamp actually doesn't look that bad, tbh. A little messy in places, but it looks compact enough, and in a weight class dominated by overhead bar spinners, it definitely stands out. It might just be my favourite DSL build of yours so far.

Your DSL builds are definitely at their best when you stop trying so hard to be unique and trend-setting and just... build normally. I still think, with the kind of effort you put into your WS builds, you could actually become a pretty good IRL builder if you just put your mind to it.

Stole the words from my thoughts. I just like to put thought into some builds, but thanks for the advice!
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Redalert on May 24, 2019, 08:11:53 AM
New bot.
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3 mm. Titanium.
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: Billy5545 on May 24, 2019, 08:16:14 AM
Looks decent. What weightclass is that?

Also, I think it will be better if your dustpan fully connects with the side pontoon, rather than there being section that is not connected to the side at the front. Also, if you cover the piglet too
Title: Re: Redalert's rare DSL builds and WS
Post by: pokebro14 on May 24, 2019, 09:06:07 AM
you dont have to cover the piglett motor in this case. Only on heavier weight classes would I say its alright.
Tbh the bot is decent but its a generic dustpan.
I think what you struggle with is making your bots look not generic without you making something weird and not legal.
Oh yeah and that thing isnt legal since its got skirts.