Author Topic: Red's DSL of tomfoolery (Read 4047 times)

The Red Blur · « **on:** April 10, 2016, 11:42:47 AM »

So, I finally make a DSL showcase. 'bout time, eh?

So, I'm currently in the process of making a bot for the "Rival Rumble" tournament, and I was tasked with building a clamp. Hopefully, DG doesn't cheat and use this bot to counter mine.

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So, any tips to make this bot better?

Naryar · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2016, 11:49:26 AM »

Again with this...

It's not a clamp, it's a hammer. Specifically, a side hammer/vertical hammer hybrid.

Badger · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2016, 11:49:53 AM »

It's not really cheating if you showcase it.

You got loads of empty space in there, and not much protection from gutrippers. and you have more than 250kg for extra weapons/drive/wedges/protection.

And it's not a clamp in the RA2 sense. Still a hammer.

Thrackerzod · « **Reply #3 on:** April 10, 2016, 11:58:28 AM »

When you're a new player, the advice gained from showcasing a bot greatly exceeds any "counter-building" that could occur.

Anyway, you're way underweight and it's still a side hammer, just now it also has a vertical hammer. Check out Geice's bot from Pot Luck 2: https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=18491.0

Fracture · « **Reply #4 on:** April 10, 2016, 12:09:27 PM »

how is it not a clamp? those are the starting positions for the motors right?

the components for the arms do resemble those of a side hammer though. since the goal is to trap rather than do damage, there should be plows, armour, etc.

The Red Blur · « **Reply #5 on:** April 10, 2016, 12:13:59 PM »

So... Because it doesn't look like a clamp, it isn't a clamp? Well, back to the drawing board, I guess. Sheesh, clamps are hard to build, looking at other clamps.

yugitom · « **Reply #6 on:** April 10, 2016, 12:19:04 PM »

I think you should look at side hammers, too because you have definitely built a side hammer. I am genuinely surprised as to how you don't know how to build a clamp. Just look at something IRL for a better picture, like Complete Control.

Reier · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2016, 12:30:01 PM »

this is an example of a clamp

this is a hammer

Fracture · « **Reply #8 on:** April 10, 2016, 12:48:12 PM »

Quote from: The Red Blur on April 10, 2016, 12:13:59 PM

So... Because it doesn't look like a clamp, it isn't a clamp? Well, back to the drawing board, I guess. Sheesh, clamps are hard to build, looking at other clamps.

i will admit i was a bit confused too because what everyone is talking about is not what comes to mind when you say clamp (it really should have a different name)

the key part is that you need a traditional flipper system coming off a burst motor, then attach to burst #1 a vertical hammer system built using burst #2

assuming your first bot has the burst motors starting in the closed position and fire into the open position, i think in gtm terms that would be considered a crusher

Virus Bomb · « **Reply #9 on:** April 10, 2016, 12:50:58 PM »

why does everyone think that a clamp has to be a vertical clamp a la complete control? are bots like tough as nails suddenly not clamps anymore? if those are the starting positions for the arms and the arms open up when fired then its a clamp.

Thrackerzod · « **Reply #10 on:** April 10, 2016, 12:55:30 PM »

Quote from: Virus Bomb on April 10, 2016, 12:50:58 PM

why does everyone think that a clamp has to be a vertical clamp a la complete control? are bots like tough as nails suddenly not clamps anymore? if those are the starting positions for the arms and the arms open up when fired then its a clamp.

That's what the point of the "what bot type is this" thread was. The wiki has all of one example of a horizontal clamp, and the example is Little Metal Friend, which doesn't even work. Horizontal clamps definitely can exist, it's just that I don't know how exactly to count it for Rival Rumble. Vertical clamps are way more dominant, so they're easier to say "yes this is a clamp" given past examples.

Gotta say, wasn't really thinking about the fact that I'd have to judge bot types harshly and stuff to run Rival Rumble. Wasn't my best idea.

DeadGenocide · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2016, 12:59:18 PM »

I'm pretty sure if you're making a Horizontal clamp the weapon has to be on spin motors instead of Burst motors because burst motors retract to their starting positions right after being fired which completely defeats the purpose of a clamp bot.

As for vertical clamps i'm pretty sure you just have a flipper and axe that fire at the same time.

Badger · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2016, 01:13:34 PM »

Quote from: Virus Bomb on April 10, 2016, 12:50:58 PM

why does everyone think that a clamp has to be a vertical clamp a la complete control? are bots like tough as nails suddenly not clamps anymore? if those are the starting positions for the arms and the arms open up when fired then its a clamp.

Because, while that style of clamp is cool and what I think TRB is going for, it's impossible to achieve with an AI-controlled bot.

TRB, I just posted the type of clamp these people are asking for in my ironforge showcase. I can sent you the .bot file if you want to have a closer look or still don't understand how they work.

The Red Blur · « **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM »

So, from what I'm seeing here, is a clamp essentially a hammer/flipper hybrid?

DeadGenocide · « **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2016, 02:17:23 PM »

Quote from: The Red Blur on April 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM

So, from what I'm seeing here, is a clamp essentially a hammer/flipper hybrid?

Vertical Clamps yes.

Sort of.

090901 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2016, 02:22:39 PM »

Quote from: Badger on April 10, 2016, 01:13:34 PM

Because, while that style of clamp is cool and what I think TRB is going for, it's impossible to achieve with an AI-controlled bot.

just place a smart zone in front of where the clamp part is and that will trigger it to open and then grab onto a bot, people have done it before.

The Red Blur · « **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2016, 02:24:37 PM »

I feel a spinning one would end up being too slow. Anyway. I've thought of an idea. If I can get away with it, I want to make a VC with a poker. If not, I'm sure I can still make a VC. Watch this space.

Badger · « **Reply #17 on:** April 10, 2016, 02:24:55 PM »

Quote from: 090901 on April 10, 2016, 02:22:39 PM

Quote from: Badger on April 10, 2016, 01:13:34 PM
Because, while that style of clamp is cool and what I think TRB is going for, it's impossible to achieve with an AI-controlled bot.

just place a smart zone in front of where the clamp part is and that will trigger it to open and then grab onto a bot, people have done it before.

Doesn't work for long bots, the timing has to be perfect and if it loses grip (which it will do because burst clamps in this style are weak AF) it can't re-clamp unless the immobility countdown timer starts and both bots move away from each other.

The Red Blur · « **Reply #18 on:** April 11, 2016, 05:35:52 AM »

Right! I think I finally have this "clamp" business right!

So, any thoughts? Tips to make it a decent bot?

Badger · « **Reply #19 on:** April 11, 2016, 05:43:12 AM »

I can't see much from that picture. The burst motor for the hammer should technically be attached to the burst motor for the flipper, else idk if it counts. Also, vertical clamps don't start closed,