VOTE for RA2 Hall of Fame

[That Robot is a Spy!]

I voted for it because I didn't know what else to vote for :/

[Somebody]

He's complaining because he thinks that I shouldn't be allowed to want it to be in, or campaign a bit for votes (which I really didn't do at all. Didn't write VOTE FOR SnSnSnSnS!!!!! anywhere...), at least as I see it.

[Dexterhunter]

@Somebody. If I recall correctly, you glorified/blown up/hyped/herpderped that simple bot that anybody could've made into oblivion (but nobody actually did make because such a design deserves no praise whatsoever).

[Naryar]

I fail to see why Blade Wave, Eclipse and FnF are competing here. Sure they were good designs and somehow original at the time of building, but they can't compare with my one other bot in the RA2 Hall of Fame.

If anything, Hazcon and HnM should be in.

And no fear for RPP ? I mean it's pretty much the Absolute Chaos of DSL, but even better against popups !

If anything, we should do a ranking and 20-30 famous bots.

Or maybe we should each, rather than vote via a poll, post a detailed list of the bots we would see the more in this, and reasons why we think they are legendary. Sure it's moar work, but the hall of fame should be more precise and fair rather than influenced by some random n00b who sees this thread and votes for a random bot.

[Urjak]

Or maybe we should each, rather than vote via a poll, post a detailed list of the bots we would see the more in this, and reasons why we think they are legendary. Sure it's moar work, but the hall of fame should be more precise and fair rather than influenced by some random n00b who sees this thread and votes for a random bot.

I'd much rather have 52 voters on a poll than 5-10 detailed votes (which were pretty much what the nomination PMs were for). The more people who vote, the more representative the Hall of Fame will be of our communities's thoughts. I do plan to expand the Hall with subsequent nominations, so bots that people think should have gotten in will get a chance to get in. 

[Somebody]

@Somebody. If I recall correctly, you glorified/blown up/hyped/herpderped that simple bot that anybody could've made into oblivion (but nobody actually did make because such a design deserves no praise whatsoever).

Simple doesn't mean its not worthy. I'll agree that maybe SnSnSnSnS wasn't that worthy of a bot (I wanted something in the hall of fame... sue me), but was Death Port really that complicated of a bot? Or SFTW and ITI V which both... hmmm... what was it now... MADE THE HOF.

Or EMERGENCY, or Mako, or Project Trinity, which really isn't a glitch that is used much at all besides for lulzy trinity flyers.

tl;dr It isn't simplicity/ complexity that gets you in, its the legacy that you have, good or bad. SFTW has the meme legacy, and EMERGENCY was the most hated robot for all of us at one time. Anyone could've built those all over the place anyways.

Yet another non-builder insulting those who at least try

[System32]

Jesus Christ you are such an idiot.
 
Let me go over everything you mentioned as nice as I physically can.
 
SFTW: Gained memetic fame for the "worst entry in a tournament" trope. The community chose this by meme theory.
ITI V: Popularised the "Razor guy run" trope, while not being the namer of the concept, became the codifier.
EMERGENCY: De facto most difficult bot to face in "stock" stock. You are an idiot of the highest order to think this bot does not apply.
Mako: Defined the basic go-to design for DSL VS. Second place BBEANS winner.
Project Trinity: doesn't matter whether you think the glitch is useless or whatever, it was the bot that showcased it first. (God mode does not deserve this as HAX mode is still being debated and is losing the controversial nature of it's essence.)
 
You know, you are right. SnSnSnS should be in. I'll write the reason up here:
 
 
SnSnSnSnS: Most overhyped bot in RA2 history. The only reason it is in the hall of fame is because the creator won't shut up. We advise all whiny little morons that this robot is a prime example of the idea that moaning and whining enough can get you anything.*
 
*_{Moaning and whining cannot get you anything. You are an idiot for thinking this.}

[GoldenFox93]

*_{Moaning and whining cannot get you anything. You are an idiot for thinking this.}

Although I probably shouldn't laugh, this was quite good  XD

[Dexterhunter]

Yet another non-builder insulting those who at least try

Just saying, spouting such elitist comments tend to make those around you dislike you a lot.

A lot.

[System32]

Or maybe we should each, rather than vote via a poll, post a detailed list of the bots we would see the more in this, and reasons why we think they are legendary. Sure it's moar work, but the hall of fame should be more precise and fair rather than influenced by some random n00b who sees this thread and votes for a random bot.

I'd much rather have 52 voters on a poll than 5-10 detailed votes (which were pretty much what the nomination PMs were for). The more people who vote, the more representative the Hall of Fame will be of our communities's thoughts. I do plan to expand the Hall with subsequent nominations, so bots that people think should have gotten in will get a chance to get in.

Next time we hold this stupd crap I'm gaming it like an international chess match. (Or Ohio.)
 
Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.

[Urjak]

Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.

Don't get me wrong, I like Naryar's idea in principle. However, the problem is that people will vote, and give their reasoning. People like Clickbeetle will probably give a detailed explanation, others might give a line or two. How do we know who has given a detailed enough vote? Do we throw out their vote? Force them to redo it? All I see happening is the voter turnout being reduced, and thus the results less representative.


Also, you claim that people, "Vote[ed] Botface X just because." Honestly, the vast majority of the inductees aren't just random bots, they are genuinely important or famous bots of RA2.

[JoeBlo]

With a turnout of 52 votes and the fact anyone could have nominated the results are pretty accurate for a community selected hall of fame despite what individuals agree on..

If you wanted to take it further you would make a requirement for at least 50% of votes for a robot (so this case only those with >26 votes get in)

Also I would have minded seeing info and possible pics of the nominees before voting.. some people (including me) might not be to up on their RA2 history :P

[Somebody]

Jesus Christ you are such an idiot.
 
Let me go over everything you mentioned as nice as I physically can.
 
SFTW: Gained memetic fame for the "worst entry in a tournament" trope. The community chose this by meme theory.
ITI V: Popularised the "Razor guy run" trope, while not being the namer of the concept, became the codifier.
EMERGENCY: De facto most difficult bot to face in "stock" stock. You are an idiot of the highest order to think this bot does not apply.
Mako: Defined the basic go-to design for DSL VS. Second place BBEANS winner.
Project Trinity: doesn't matter whether you think the glitch is useless or whatever, it was the bot that showcased it first. (God mode does not deserve this as HAX mode is still being debated and is losing the controversial nature of it's essence.)
 
You know, you are right. SnSnSnS should be in. I'll write the reason up here:
 
 
SnSnSnSnS: Most overhyped bot in RA2 history. The only reason it is in the hall of fame is because the creator won't shut up. We advise all whiny little morons that this robot is a prime example of the idea that moaning and whining enough can get you anything.*
 
*_{Moaning and whining cannot get you anything. You are an idiot for thinking this.}

Not sure how dumb I really am when you can't even correctly read what I posted. Dexterhunter said SnSnSnSnS was stupid because it was simple and anyone could've built it. I was saying that those bots were simple too. I never said that they shouldn't be in, and as a matter of fact, I voted for all of them.

[Naryar]

Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.

Don't get me wrong, I like Naryar's idea in principle. However, the problem is that people will vote, and give their reasoning. People like Clickbeetle will probably give a detailed explanation, others might give a line or two. How do we know who has given a detailed enough vote? Do we throw out their vote? Force them to redo it? All I see happening is the voter turnout being reduced, and thus the results less representative.

You will judge, and other sensible/rational/fair people as well.

[Urjak]

Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.

Don't get me wrong, I like Naryar's idea in principle. However, the problem is that people will vote, and give their reasoning. People like Clickbeetle will probably give a detailed explanation, others might give a line or two. How do we know who has given a detailed enough vote? Do we throw out their vote? Force them to redo it? All I see happening is the voter turnout being reduced, and thus the results less representative.

You will judge, and other sensible/rational/fair people as well.

I would prefer the many members of the forum decide, not just me and a select others. I mean if 52 of our members select the inductees, we will get a representation of current collective, not just what the AU's and veterans think. Besides, if only a select few vote, other members can accuse them of bias. When the whole forum votes, that bias is drowned out.

[System32]

Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.

Don't get me wrong, I like Naryar's idea in principle. However, the problem is that people will vote, and give their reasoning. People like Clickbeetle will probably give a detailed explanation, others might give a line or two. How do we know who has given a detailed enough vote? Do we throw out their vote? Force them to redo it? All I see happening is the voter turnout being reduced, and thus the results less representative.

You will judge, and other sensible/rational/fair people as well.

I would prefer the many members of the forum decide, not just me and a select others. I mean if 52 of our members select the inductees, we will get a representation of current collective, not just what the AU's and veterans think. Besides, if only a select few vote, other members can accuse them of bias. When the whole forum votes, that bias is drowned out.

Anyone can post. Almost all reasons are valid.
I never said AU and Vets only post, I said anyone can, if they have a reason for nominating said robot.
 
I could easily set up a mock "RPesque" example thread for what I am talking about here.

[Urjak]

Do you

Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.

Don't get me wrong, I like Naryar's idea in principle. However, the problem is that people will vote, and give their reasoning. People like Clickbeetle will probably give a detailed explanation, others might give a line or two. How do we know who has given a detailed enough vote? Do we throw out their vote? Force them to redo it? All I see happening is the voter turnout being reduced, and thus the results less representative.

You will judge, and other sensible/rational/fair people as well.

I would prefer the many members of the forum decide, not just me and a select others. I mean if 52 of our members select the inductees, we will get a representation of current collective, not just what the AU's and veterans think. Besides, if only a select few vote, other members can accuse them of bias. When the whole forum votes, that bias is drowned out.

Anyone can post. Almost all reasons are valid.
I never said AU and Vets only post, I said anyone can, if they have a reason for nominating said robot.

Do you really think that is going to help? In all likelihood, every person who voted in the poll had a reason (it might not be all that well thought through, but they do have one). If they post their reasoning and it turns out to be poor reasoning, we can't do anything about it. So the only thing that will be accomplished is that less people will want to vote because they have to post reasoning and have it scrutinized. I think most people will probably not care about others' opinions, thus they probably won't reconsider their reasoning once posted.

What I am basically saying is that I don't think the quality of the votes will be improved unless the reasoning is screened, which would lead to over-complication and lower voter turnout.

[Naryar]

Do you

Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.

Don't get me wrong, I like Naryar's idea in principle. However, the problem is that people will vote, and give their reasoning. People like Clickbeetle will probably give a detailed explanation, others might give a line or two. How do we know who has given a detailed enough vote? Do we throw out their vote? Force them to redo it? All I see happening is the voter turnout being reduced, and thus the results less representative.

You will judge, and other sensible/rational/fair people as well.

I would prefer the many members of the forum decide, not just me and a select others. I mean if 52 of our members select the inductees, we will get a representation of current collective, not just what the AU's and veterans think. Besides, if only a select few vote, other members can accuse them of bias. When the whole forum votes, that bias is drowned out.

Anyone can post. Almost all reasons are valid.
I never said AU and Vets only post, I said anyone can, if they have a reason for nominating said robot.

Do you really think that is going to help? In all likelihood, every person who voted in the poll had a reason (it might not be all that well thought through, but they do have one). If they post their reasoning and it turns out to be poor reasoning, we can't do anything about it. So the only thing that will be accomplished is that less people will want to vote because they have to post reasoning and have it scrutinized. I think most people will probably not care about others' opinions, thus they probably won't reconsider their reasoning once posted.

What I am basically saying is that I don't think the quality of the votes will be improved unless the reasoning is screened, which would lead to over-complication and lower voter turnout.

Anyone can post and give reasons as long as the reasons are valid.

I have also other ideas. Why not divide the Hall of Fame in different categories, and make a ranking for each categories ? Categories should be:

-Combat prowess, like most major tournament champions, RPB and NWB
-Fame, like SFTW or Emergency. Anything that is well known.
-Originality, like Death Port 2, Mako or Neglected Waterbug. Basically anything that spawned a new robot type or sub-robot type.

Now for the bots...

-Neglected Waterbug (Vote for Combat Prowess, Fame AND Originality): The original juggler, and a fearsome one. Few bots managed to stay good for years. This one did, also it totally terrified us when we were new to starcore.
-Fury (Combat Prowess/Fame): The iconic Stock MW HS, that has set the standard for Stock MW HS. Also built by the god of stock.
-Rabid Pit Bull (Combat Prowess): Never got the same hype as NWB, still a fearsome robot.
-Hazardous Contraption (Combat Prowess/Fame): Alright, so it's a NWB ripoff. It is still the first DSL MW juggler and the thing that started DSL jugglers.
-Enfilad3 (Combat Prowess/Originality): Pretty much started DSL popups as we know them now. Also pretty good.
-Mako (Originality/Fame): Created the Mako wedge and the Mako style VS. Also the first notable DSL VS.
-Hammer of Justice (Originality): Heaviest and largest bot ever, by a large margin. Just the fact that it's the size of 4 arenas should put it in the HoF.
-SFTW (Fame): Neither original nor good, far from it, but nevertheless accessed to legendary status just because it was awful. Also one of the most iconic bots ever.
-EMERGENCY (Fame): While it wasn't really dangerous even to a newbie builder, it was EXTREMELY ANNOYING and i'm pretty sure all of us ragequitted at least once when faced with him. Also the best stock bot ever.
-Absolute Chaos (C/F/O): One of the first 36HS, and the most known by far.
-Stratocaster (F): Not exceptional, but still very famous, maybe because Kill loves to enter it into random tournaments.
-Minesweeper (F): See Stratocaster
-Seism 13 (C/O): Probably the most original popup ever, also a proof that you can be original and still damn good.

More to come later.

[Urjak]

-Combat prowess, like most major tournament champions, RPB and NWB
-Fame, like SFTW or Emergency. Anything that is well known.
-Originality, like Death Port 2, Mako or Neglected Waterbug. Basically anything that spawned a new robot type or sub-robot type.

This was my plan for subsequent votes (with only ten bots it didn't seem particularly necessary).