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Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Sage on May 27, 2009, 11:15:23 PM: I know this idea has been touched upon but i thought it might actually be a good idea. I introduce...

THE RANKING SYSTEM

For a few months now, I've been enjoying telling my friends that I'm one of the best at RA2 in the world. Some of you may think this true, some may not, but I think I'm up there. I know some other vets probably do the same at times. However, I feel it would be good to legitimize things. There's ranking systems for almost every online game out there. Why can't RA2 have one?

Here's how it would work:

The community votes on three categories. These three categories are TOP 10 Stock Builders, TOP 10 DSL Builders, and TOP 10 Programmers/Contributors. Please note that only ACTIVE members are eligible. For the people who have left, there is also The TOP 10 Members Gone Missing.

The community nominates people for one month, and at the end of that week the top 10 nominees will be chosen. They will then be listed out and the community votes on the order.

Of course, after these nominations, people can move up, down, or even lose their spot to someone else. How this would work is that every month people can nominate a change and then the community can vote on it. So, you better have a good persuading argument!

Top 10 Stock Builders

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10.

Top 10 DSL Builders

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Top 10 Contributors

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Top 5 Member's Gone Missing

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I have my nominations ready, but I want community support for this before I go on. I know there are some that don't like the idea of a ranking system, so please post your thoughts here.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Urjak on May 27, 2009, 11:35:58 PM: Sounds good, and since it is a democratic decisions, any flame wars may be less intense. It also seems important to note that its really just for fun. There is no real point in getting all worked up about it.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Wings on May 27, 2009, 11:45:13 PM: I was going to criticize this on the BBEANS thread earlier but after reading this, I think this could work Sage.

However, a quick question, how many people can we nominate for each category (if its only one and every choses the same five, for example, then its not a top ten but too many makes the vote counting longer).

How do we define active builder, I mean someone like Firebeetle isn't posting any more, but he's still building bots (for BBEANS at least)? I think we should probably set a time zone for active and unactive builder (maybe a year or so)
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: JoeBlo on May 27, 2009, 11:52:35 PM: sounds like a good idea, I doubt I will make top 10 on any though lol, maybe put all the ladders in the one thread and get ACAMS to pin it, maybe to avoid stalemates no one can nominate then selves and perhaps justification for the nomination so its not just favoritism
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Post by: R0B0SH4RK on May 28, 2009, 12:06:02 AM: I think it's a decent idea. I like the idea for seeing where the rest of the community ranks people, because I have a pretty good idea of my top 10 in each category.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Naryar on May 28, 2009, 12:25:14 AM: Thanks Sage.

Nice idea to have 4 categories too.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: JoeCB1991 on May 28, 2009, 12:33:22 AM: Can you also add "Top 10 SFTW Builders" to that?
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: JoeBlo on May 28, 2009, 12:39:21 AM: Quote from: Urjak;40940
Sounds good, and since it is a democratic decisions, any flame wars may be less intense.

Quote from: JoeCB1991;40947
Can you also add "Top 10 SFTW Builders" to that?

would that cause cause more issues ? I mean some people take it with light heart but others may find it insulting
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: cephalopod on May 28, 2009, 02:47:48 AM: Quote from: JoeBlo;40948
would that cause cause more issues ? I mean some people take it with light heart but others may find it insulting

I'd add it to my achievements :P
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Hydro on May 28, 2009, 09:52:32 AM: i think SFTW builders is a good acheivement for me :-D
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: System32 on May 28, 2009, 10:27:59 AM: A vote is on opinion, kinda. Too much bias, or in other words, it's more like a popularity contest at the moment. We should use something to help, like how many bots are made, how good they are at building, how their bots test in tournaments, you know, that stuff...
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Hydro on May 28, 2009, 10:30:52 AM: ^^FTW.
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Post by: Gigafrost on May 28, 2009, 11:05:24 AM: Indeed, this is a good idea. This is also a good way to change our members Respect Rating, as the members are nominated, their respect can go up by one, as more people are recognizing them (making the limit to +5 points total or if the member won five times). Fear is something else and would not pertain well with this system however. But i do like it and feel that it would motivate more people to contribute for gametechmods.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: MikeNCR on May 28, 2009, 11:38:13 AM: Quote from: System32;41033
A vote is on opinion, kinda. Too much bias, or in other words, it's more like a popularity contest at the moment. We should use something to help, like how many bots are made, how good they are at building, how their bots test in tournaments, you know, that stuff...

Volume of robots made probably shouldn't be directly linked to builder skill.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: System32 on May 28, 2009, 12:36:41 PM: Lots of bots made of a high quality is better than a lesser volume of high quality bots.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Reier on May 28, 2009, 12:43:50 PM: But say a guy who stinks made 13000 bots, and A guy who's good made 20. The guy who stinks would rank higher.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Hydro on May 28, 2009, 02:06:48 PM: so let's say you get a high rank via quality over quantity. its that simple.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Gigafrost on May 28, 2009, 02:10:37 PM: But who determines this "quality" ?
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Post by: somestrangeguy on May 28, 2009, 02:15:47 PM: Quote from: Gigafrost;41058
But who determines this "quality" ?

I would say that Admins and most respected people on this forum should have the right to do that.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Hydro on May 28, 2009, 04:00:42 PM: ^^ you beat me to it, SSG.

either that or already known good builders. unless that is what was meant by "most respected people".
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Sage on May 28, 2009, 04:22:12 PM: Ok, so it's a popularity contest. That's how they decide the winner of american idol, also how they decide the American President. Something wrong with that? There's enough smart people on this forum so that it would be based more on skill then popularity anyway.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: System32 on May 28, 2009, 04:33:50 PM: George bush, and for the rest, Obama. See how good that is? And don't get me started on the MPs. Popularity doesn't mean good bots. END OF.

we need a rating team, like giga's RR FR teams.

Could we have judges on Aesthetics, Originality and Combat effectiveness?

(Hey, it's best for a fair system.)
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Sage on May 28, 2009, 05:18:16 PM: And i already said that there's enough smart people on this forum that it won't be a popularity contest. BOTM seems to work fine.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: kill343gs on May 28, 2009, 05:53:04 PM: Quote from: Gigafrost;41040
Indeed, this is a good idea. This is also a good way to change our members Respect Rating, as the members are nominated, their respect can go up by one, as more people are recognizing them (making the limit to +5 points total or if the member won five times). Fear is something else and would not pertain well with this system however. But i do like it and feel that it would motivate more people to contribute for gametechmods.

Better bots could also be feared, however. Just a thought. I also say keep it with Sage's original plans and just do it a top 10 for the week. Kind of like a "BOTM" but a Members of the Week.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: DuckRA2 on May 28, 2009, 07:02:47 PM: can there be a nobody rank?

I think i qualify
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: infiniteinertia on May 28, 2009, 07:42:26 PM: <==== best builder under Clickbeetle and pysc (;
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Hydro on May 28, 2009, 08:08:10 PM: ^^really? i thought you three were equals...
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: JoeBlo on May 28, 2009, 08:27:38 PM: anyone watch wrestling ?

they have a thing called the power 25 which people go up and down on the list for a heap of factors, match results, popularity (im talking if your a jerk to everyone you move down) etc and its decided by a group of fair people and it changes after each week maybe something like that for each DSL and Stock

maybe the admins and mods do the deciding :-D
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: pyscolone on May 28, 2009, 08:30:37 PM: Jesus you kids are crying hard about this popularity sh**. When it comes down to SKILL which this is all about right? It SHOWS.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: infiniteinertia on May 28, 2009, 08:43:58 PM: Jesus you kids are crying hard about this popularity sh**. When it comes down to SKILL which this is all about right? It SHOWS.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: JoeBlo on May 28, 2009, 08:47:59 PM: yay everybody post the same thing :-D

im not fussed I dont even think of my building skills or popularity to be high enough for top 10 i was just offering suggestions (thought it was the point of sage starting this thread)
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: DuckRA2 on May 28, 2009, 09:03:28 PM: I third that^
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Post by: infiniteinertia on May 28, 2009, 09:05:42 PM: I think rankings would be beneficial, but just "simpler" and flat out based on building.
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Post by: DuckRA2 on May 28, 2009, 10:33:56 PM: I agree
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Sage on May 28, 2009, 10:59:17 PM: You guys don't think that the AI pack makers, the arena builders, the component designers, or the other contributors don't deserve a rank?
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: JoeBlo on May 28, 2009, 11:19:16 PM: I think ranking them could be a little insulting, I think there should just be a prestigious list for them so they can be noted for all their hard work
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: R0B0SH4RK on May 29, 2009, 12:04:54 AM: S32: Popularity contest? What does that mean, that Inf, Sage and Pys are in everyone's top-5? They're "popular" because they're better than you, me, and close to everyone else in this forum.

Also, Venko and Trovaner would make my top-10.

I think a panel of judges is dumb.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Naryar on May 29, 2009, 12:13:09 AM: No popularity contest please... I suggest we just post our personal Top10's here (Or send it in secret via PM to Sage), and he will process everything and display the results here.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: JoeBlo on May 29, 2009, 12:56:10 AM: just one thing .... on a forum like this wouldn't skillful building be the thing that makes you popular ? I mean a completely useless builder wouldn't be the most popular person so in theory popularity wouldn't be much of a problem
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: R0B0SH4RK on May 29, 2009, 01:15:09 AM: Quote from: JoeBlo;41164
just one thing .... on a forum like this wouldn't skillful building be the thing that makes you popular ? I mean a completely useless builder wouldn't be the most popular person so in theory popularity wouldn't be much of a problem

That is the single most logical statement posted in this thread. I'm not kidding.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: cephalopod on May 29, 2009, 03:43:05 AM: ^ Seconded.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: somestrangeguy on May 29, 2009, 07:29:03 AM: Quote from: JoeBlo;41164
just one thing .... on a forum like this wouldn't skillful building be the thing that makes you popular ? I mean a completely useless builder wouldn't be the most popular person so in theory popularity wouldn't be much of a problem

That is almost true, remember Spinner From The West?

But its the Good popularity what we are after, so you are correct.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Hydro on May 29, 2009, 10:34:11 AM: [Insert Picard Facepalm Here]

"good popularity" means famous versus infamous, correct?
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: System32 on May 29, 2009, 10:55:41 AM: Wait, What?
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: JoeBlo on May 29, 2009, 11:06:17 AM: (http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s36/westcoastdrags/office-sign-brainSmallCustom.jpg)

Just think proper safety measures are in order here :-D
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Sage on May 29, 2009, 03:41:28 PM: Hey, PMing me your top 10 is a good idea. keeps the results clean.

I'll give you guys an outline so it's easier.

Top 10 Stock Builders

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3.

4.

5.

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8.

9.

10.

Top 10 DSL Builders

1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Top 10 Contributors

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Top 5 Member's Gone Missing

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Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Sage on May 30, 2009, 12:23:16 AM: alright i have one... keep em coming!
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: JoeBlo on May 30, 2009, 05:26:28 AM: is there a deadline for nominations?
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Sage on May 30, 2009, 09:41:43 AM: Quote from: JoeBlo;41369
is there a deadline for nominations?

I'm thinking June 18th... That gives you guys 20 days, which is a nice round number. A full month would be too long.

Also, i put the outline for the ranks on the first post, so it's easier to get to.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Somebody on May 30, 2009, 02:43:26 PM: Sage, I have an idea of how this can work!!!

It will be points based.

Say I ranked 10 people:

1.Clickbeetle
2.Sage
3.pys
4.Inf
5.Naryar
6.ACAMS
7.SSG
8.Venko
9.S32
10.Me
(now these ranks mean nothing, so nobody complain)

Rank 1 will get 10 points
Rank 2 will get 9
etc.

The total points decide the rankings.

Good?
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Sage on May 30, 2009, 03:48:19 PM: Quote from: Somebody;41526
Sage, I have an idea of how this can work!!!

It will be points based.

Say I ranked 10 people:

1.Clickbeetle
2.Sage
3.pys
4.Inf
5.Naryar
6.ACAMS
7.SSG
8.Venko
9.S32
10.Me
(now these ranks mean nothing, so nobody complain)

Rank 1 will get 10 points
Rank 2 will get 9
etc.

The total points decide the rankings.

Good?

I was thinking i would take all the votes for one person and average them out, and then the people with the top ten highest averages would, well, be in the top ten. but that's good too. ill see which one works better.
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Sage on June 05, 2009, 08:18:42 PM: yo peeps, i have like 5 people in. lets keep em coming. if you dont know something just leave it blank.
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Post by: Reier on June 06, 2009, 10:19:20 AM: Do we PM them to you?
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Post by: Sage on June 06, 2009, 10:25:11 AM: yes.
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Post by: Urjak on June 08, 2009, 07:15:11 PM: Any news?

EDIT: Sorry.... I though nothing had been posted here in a long time. Whoops. :|
Title: The Ranking System
Post by: Sage on June 08, 2009, 07:17:33 PM: urjak, why dont you send me some rankings? this wont end until june 18th, and we need more votes to make it fair.
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Post by: Urjak on June 08, 2009, 07:20:19 PM: I'm doing that right now....
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Post by: Naryar on June 17, 2009, 08:38:40 AM: How many votes yet ?

You guys better hurry.
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Post by: Reier on June 17, 2009, 08:45:12 AM: Me do it now.
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Post by: Sage on June 17, 2009, 09:17:58 AM: I'll put them in a new thread at the end of the day. Everyone who still hasn't voted, please do so. It's ok for you to leave a space blank. nearly everyone has.
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Post by: Somebody on June 17, 2009, 01:39:24 PM: I'll send mine soon.
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Post by: Sage on June 17, 2009, 09:17:11 PM: voting closed. results up soon.
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Post by: Reier on June 18, 2009, 09:50:09 AM: So how often will you have these?
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Post by: Sage on June 18, 2009, 08:34:14 PM: Quote from: Reier;44978
So how often will you have these?

Every month you can nominate people to move up or down on the list, as well as nominate people to who aren't on the list to replace someone. After a week people will vote yes or know to every nomination made, and we will work it out from there. Still some things I need to figure out, but I'm trying to make it as community driven as I can.