Only baseplate anchors, small battery packs, and control boards may be stacked. No stacking weapons (=overlapping collision mesh). No exostacking.
Small battery packs = pinksOnly baseplate anchors, small battery packs, and control boards may be stacked. No stacking weapons (=overlapping collision mesh). No exostacking.So no battery stacking either? Not even pinks, which are one of the easiest things to stack in the game?
IMO Small wedges should be bannedBanning small wedges would just turn this into even more of a HS fest as popups would then need to use E-wedges (even if they are allowed)
Maybe a rule about razors and irons too?What would be cool is to have another tourney that bans the big 3/4 of weapons in stock (Razors, Irons, Maces, and Bearclaws). However I bet everybody would just use axes and spikes stripes then so it really wouldn't change much.
That is a valid point. I'm changing my mind, small wedges should be legal.IMO Small wedges should be bannedBanning small wedges would just turn this into even more of a HS fest as popups would then need to use E-wedges (even if they are allowed)
Something else that could be interesting is banning of tribars. I may be taking it too far but it could limit the building of generic HSs and force people to use uncommon components and make more creative, unique, or rare bot types.
Certainly interesting. So you're saying you would run two tournaments simultaneously?
As far as the rules for Sportsman mode goes, it sounds like you want to make it like the day stock came out... no glitches, no extra components, no DSA. Build a bot as if it was 11 years ago.
I like it. But I agree with 0190910191... HS will dominate. But is that any different than normal? Probably not.
i'm not sure why we can stack things using bursts/servos but yet eFFeing and all the loading techniques are banned...
I see this quickly becoming a popup and HS (possibly rammer if small and e-wedge are banned) fest as many other bot types use said banned/parts glitches to their advantage. Anyone can easily make a 12 HS within the rules, for example:
(http://i.imgur.com/PuxlgXx.png)
397.9kg
12 irons (could be changed to maces since i know they can be put on without eFFe)
Z-tek drive (can be downgraded for heavier armour as it has DSA aka Alum atm)
1 black battery to go along with that all.
Maybe a rule about razors and irons too?What would be cool is to have another tourney that bans the big 3/4 of weapons in stock (Razors, Irons, Maces, and Bearclaws). However I bet everybody would just use axes and spikes stripes then so it really wouldn't change much.
Banning small wedges would just turn this into even more of a HS fest as popups would then need to use E-wedges (even if they are allowed)Honestly, I think Ewedge > small wedge when fighting HS, because they're far wider and thus won't get smacked away as easily.
I see this quickly becoming a popup and HS (possibly rammer if small and e-wedge are banned) fest as many other bot types use said banned/parts glitches to their advantage. Anyone can easily make a 12 HS within the rules, for example:Perhaps a modified IRL ruleset? It doesn't have to be as stringent, but it would be in the spirit of things to ban some unrealisms, like overlapping spinners.
(http://i.imgur.com/PuxlgXx.png)
397.9kg
12 irons (could be changed to maces since i know they can be put on without eFFe)
Z-tek drive (can be downgraded for heavier armour as it has DSA aka Alum atm)
1 black battery to go along with that all.
Personally, I don't see something similar to IRL sticking too well in stock. DSL is about realism and stock is about efficiency (Edit: I realize how erraneous of a statement this is but I can't think of a better way of describing the focus of both).I see this quickly becoming a popup and HS (possibly rammer if small and e-wedge are banned) fest as many other bot types use said banned/parts glitches to their advantage. Anyone can easily make a 12 HS within the rules, for example:Perhaps a modified IRL ruleset? It doesn't have to be as stringent, but it would be in the spirit of things to ban some unrealisms, like overlapping spinners.
(http://i.imgur.com/PuxlgXx.png)
397.9kg
12 irons (could be changed to maces since i know they can be put on without eFFe)
Z-tek drive (can be downgraded for heavier armour as it has DSA aka Alum atm)
1 black battery to go along with that all.
why ban tribars ? ban unrealistic use of tribars yes, but ban tribars completely, no.Promotes use of other components and creativity; there isn't much creativity in a generic HS.
besides banning tribars nerfs HS and VS quite a bit. HS already have been nerfed enough.
So what, you're saying there can't be creativity in stock? The sportsman class is there so every fight is more creative and not just boring HS vs HS, not to make it IRL.
So what, you're saying there can't be creativity in stock? The sportsman class is there so every fight is more creative and not just boring HS vs HS, not to make it IRL.There should be less "creativity" in RA2, since that word has pretty much degenerated into "terrible bots randomly thrown together".
Not trying to be edgy, but that's absolutely retarded.So what, you're saying there can't be creativity in stock? The sportsman class is there so every fight is more creative and not just boring HS vs HS, not to make it IRL.There should be less "creativity" in RA2, since that word has pretty much degenerated into "terrible bots randomly thrown together".
why ban tribars ? ban unrealistic use of tribars yes, but ban tribars completely, no.The problem is that the component is just as broken as the 140cm extender with the floating APs due to the way RA2 handles the collision mesh. This isn't about nerfing HS. It has more to do with the fact that the component is *highly* unbalanced and, as a result, we see less variety.
besides banning tribars nerfs HS and VS quite a bit. HS already have been nerfed enough.I wouldn't consider HS to be at a complete disadvantage without tribars. Disks work just fine and extenders can be used to make swinging arms. The only notable difference is that weapons won't magically bypass things like snow plows.
I am tired of seeing people trying to ban everything that works in the name of creativity, or use creatively as an excuse to why their bot don't work.Not trying to be edgy, but that's absolutely retarded.So what, you're saying there can't be creativity in stock? The sportsman class is there so every fight is more creative and not just boring HS vs HS, not to make it IRL.There should be less "creativity" in RA2, since that word has pretty much degenerated into "terrible bots randomly thrown together".
Banning all the parts you listed will do absolutely nothing to the meta. It will still be HS against Popups.This is the defining undertone I am getting too. I can see making a sportsman style DSL BBEANS where the robots have to obey IRL building rules, but with the current rules proposed, it's still going to generate a ton of Popups and Hs's. And if the point is to promote other robot styles with a less glitched-defined building style, it's hard for me to justify it especially with how weak many of the components can be in Stock. I don't know if I am interpreting this correctly, but if I am then I think that a strictly IRL style DSL BBEANS MW could be really fun to watch as opposed to setting restrictions to the previously unrestricted, stock.
I think that a strictly IRL style DSL BBEANS MW could be really fun to watch
its not that, but because it is bbeans, everyone would be tryharding. every robot would have a ton of weapon spam.I think that a strictly IRL style DSL BBEANS MW could be really fun to watch
No it wouldn't. We've had SO many DSL IRL tournaments recently it's not even funny.
So what, you're saying there can't be creativity in stock? The sportsman class is there so every fight is more creative and not just boring HS vs HS, not to make it IRL.
i agree
How about coming up with <b>NEW IDEAS</b> for a change? A bot that's clearly doing something new, not just "I swap out good parts for bad parts for no reason".
BBEANS is way too special to happen every 3 months. It's so major and time consuming too, Click has other things to do too. And IRL BBEANS would suck because it would just feel off.not every year