RA2 Bot Type Tier List?

[Shield]

I personally think flippers are too low for both Standard and IRL.

[madman3]

I personally think flippers are too low for both Standard and IRL.

They tend to not have very good damage output (obviously) and are often de-weaponed. Also, their setup often depends on multiple external bursts which get hit too easily. I'd argue that they may be better in IRL but in Standard they are extremely average.

[Virus Bomb]

crawlers>>>>
why tf do u have hammers in a higher tier than jugglers as

Hammers can beat HS. Can jugglers do that?

it's silly to rank hammers above jugglers just because of one favorable match up. hammers are only good against hses, rammers, and prolly side hammers. outside of hses and crawlers jugglers will usually beat pretty much everything a popup and any other gut ripper can beat, and are a lot more likely to win a tourney than a hammer (has a hammer ever won a tourney?). you might as well put wedgeless vses above rammers because wedgeless vses trash popups.

[madman3]

Agreeing with VB, will edit that section

[Mr. AS]

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it's silly to rank hammers above jugglers just because of one favorable match up.

...outside of hses and crawlers jugglers will usually beat pretty much everything a popup and any other gut ripper can beat

I don't think you understand. Being at top tier and being a widely built type of bot, being able to beat HS is *VERY* important. A juggler is almost certainly going to get trashed by the first HS it sees, where as hammers could put up a fight. Relying on RNG not to match your juggler against a HS is rather silly.

...and are a lot more likely to win a tourney than a hammer (has a hammer ever won a tourney?)

Jugglers have won literally one more tourney than hammers according to this thread, but it needs a serious update.

you might as well put wedgeless vses above rammers because wedgeless vses trash popups.

I can agree with moving wedgeless VS up a bit, yeah. I might have been too harsh on them.

[madman3]

List altered again for stock, not changing it again until we finish this little debate

[Virus Bomb]

I don't think you understand. Being at top tier and being a widely built type of bot, being able to beat HS is *VERY* important. A juggler is almost certainly going to get trashed by the first HS it sees, where as hammers could put up a fight. Relying on RNG not to match your juggler against a HS is rather silly.

and thats not gonna mean alot if a hammer beats a hs and then goes up against a vs, a popup (popups usually have the best wedges from what i seen), or a juggler (jugglers also usually have better wedges than hammers, and hammers usually have to get lucky to disarm jugglers; most of the time they lose their weapons). yeah hammers are good/great for taking out hses, but i would much rather enter something that can succeed at fighting a variety of bot types instead of just being good at fighting one or two.

also why do you have rammers so high? they are only good in lw and sub-lw classes, anything higher and they get owned by a bunch of stuff (anything with a wedge, most if not all vses, etc.)

[Sage]

I mean how many hammer designs can actually take out a good HS? Final destination can, and that's only because of caster armor. Even then, it has to be so wide and spend so much weight on defense that it becomes less effective against other bot types.

Jugglers are over all way better. NWB is a legend. Jabberwock is not.

[Wacky Bob]

Jugglers are over all way better. RPB is a legend. Jabberwock is not.

NWB?

[NeighImACarrot]

****erwolf good HW destroyer

[Shield]

I personally think flippers are too low for both Standard and IRL.

They tend to not have very good damage output (obviously) and are often de-weaponed. Also, their setup often depends on multiple external bursts which get hit too easily. I'd argue that they may be better in IRL but in Standard they are extremely average.

Smashbox begs to differ. But then again, im no expert on standard.

[Sage]

Jugglers are over all way better. RPB is a legend. Jabberwock is not.

NWB?

Yes. I did the wrong acronym lol. Been 7 years since I played SCv3. Although RPB is similar to a juggler.

[Virus Bomb]

I mean how many hammer designs can actually take out a good HS? Final destination can, and that's only because of caster armor.

you're underestimating fatal encounter imo

[KOS]

And the LW Godhammer called TURN DOWN FOR WHAT, that thing wrecks every LW spinner

[Naryar]

hammers should be pretty low tier because they suck against most things.

They CAN beat hammers and rammers, especially at lighter weightclasses (maybe increase hammer tier at LW/MW ?) but it's not even sure.

Every other bot type can beat a HS (well with the possible exception of drums and VS)... beating a high tier bot isn't that important when a whole bot type suffers from overspecialization.

[090901]

hammers should be pretty low tier because they suck against most things.

They CAN beat hammers and rammers, especially at lighter weightclasses (maybe increase hammer tier at LW/MW ?) but it's not even sure.

are you sure hammers can beat other hammers naryar???? 

[Naryar]

hammers should be pretty low tier because they suck against most things.

They CAN beat hammers and rammers, especially at lighter weightclasses (maybe increase hammer tier at LW/MW ?) but it's not even sure.

are you sure hammers can beat other hammers naryar???? 

Hammer vs hammer is kinda a derpfest (and a penis length contest as well) so it just proves my point :P

[El Chickenado]

ohh no the fighting game tier list is being implied prepare for people complaining if you use the high tier bot types

[Naryar]

ohh no the fighting game tier list is being implied prepare for people complaining if you use the high tier bot types

>implying that this list didn't exist implicity beforehand

[madman3]

ohh no the fighting game tier list is being implied prepare for people complaining if you use the high tier bot types

Because people don't already complain about people using Flail SnS or Popups or TRFBDs already...