Bring back the old ways!

[JoeBlo]

to me, all those unrealistic stock bots looks the same.

thats where the skill comes into it

there are some good points but I dont see the need to change a community ? just do whatever with stock and have what you build be effected by what tournaments you enter.

nobody tells you in the stock showcase "build unrealistically"

DSL is different because it was a mod intended for building realistically, same as Backlash, it feels like a massive middle finger when someone tells you how you should build with your own mod (been there, felt that, not fun) so we stay respective with the intentions for day to day stuff (doesn't mean you cant do what you want though)

Stock really became stronger with non realism after DSL, otherwise there is no need for it, its what sets the 2 apart. before jumping into Backlash I did a lot of research, I figured in order for Backlash to become a "3rd choice" and not just something extra it needed to set robot building apart from the other 2, otherwise it would loose in favor of DSL.

however... that said, a few people were going to re-balance all the stock parts at some points in time, if someone ever succeeds, makes new UI, AI and all that jazz, writes it off as a realistic stock mod then bingo, realistic stock building against other realistic robots. I admit im interested myself (though obviously I barely have time to finish my own mod let alone starting another)

its a little known fact the Backlash involves stock parts that DSL doesn't, including new variants. not just to add variety but to bring original elements into the game..

just some stuff to think about...

[Sage]

@sage I know HOW to do the glitches, and im sure if I tried and spent some time in my stock showcase I could build decently in it. I just don't like stock for many reasons.
If I, or somebody else for that matter, can make cool looking, or at the very least unique bots in stock, but without effectiveness and loads of glitches, would you call them lazy?

Yep.

Take this example. A fat man tries to look cooler by wearing expensive clothing that looks cool, along with his trademark hat that makes him unique. It wasn't a very effective way to make himself look better. Now, if he had gotten off his lazy ass and did a strict routine of diet and exercise, he would have lost his fat and would look 10x better than he did before. Diet and exercise is effective. He can put those expensive clothes and trademark hat on after for icing on the cake.

I hope that metaphor makes sense, cause it does to me xD

and Sage, want to see a realistic and good stock bot? search for my Micro Vulcan.

Build a realistic bot that hasn't been done before and is semi-effective and I'll see your point as valid.

Flippers have been made since the beginning of RA2. And they suck. Except in DSL.

[Scorpion]

 
Sage, did you seriously just compare inneficient builders to rich fat people?

[NFX]

You know, I think he did. =D

[Sage]

Sage, did you seriously just compare inneficient builders to rich fat people?

What better way to say lazy? :P

[123savethewhales]

DSL can make much better looking replicas than Stock anyway.

[Naryar]

DSL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stock anyway

[powerrave]

and Sage, want to see a realistic and good stock bot? search for my Micro Vulcan.

Build a realistic bot that hasn't been done before and is semi-effective and I'll see your point as valid.

Flippers have been made since the beginning of RA2. And they suck. Except in DSL.

my @5$ that flippers suck... in Stock.


but yeah, massively QFT what Nary said.

[Sage]

DSL2 is broken. If I could win BBEANS 6 when I really don't play DSL there's something wrong :) Which is why I like stock, cause only the best built bots win tournaments.

DSL3, however, will be really good.

[JoeBlo]

DSL2 is broken. If I could win BBEANS 6 when I really don't play DSL there's something wrong :)

:O you chose that instead of saying your great?

its not broken, your robot was good, wedges are the wild card factor between how successful a robot is, you can spend days making a perfect one or luck out and have a good one from the start...

they mean more in DSL then stock because of the increase of components to make them

[Naryar]

DSL2 is broken. If I could win BBEANS 6 when I really don't play DSL there's something wrong :) Which is why I like stock, cause only the best built bots win tournaments.

DSL 2 is broken, but LESS SO than stock. And you won because you built something good, but out of copying.

[Somebody]

Personally, I love watching the stock tournaments more. There is so much more variety, and there is also much more action. In DSL there are many set best designs because of the limits of realism and balancing *glances towards Naryar*. The parts give options to new bot types, but only certain ones are still the best.

In stock, we know what works, we know what doesn't, and the unrealisticism has allowed us to build completely new and unrealistic things, 7 YEARS after RA2 came out. If you don't like stock, then don't play it.

Many of you are forgetting that stock RA2 is what you ALL played first, and I doubt you bitched about it before joining GTM. Stock is much simpler to learn on the outside, with only a few parts used because of good and bad parts. The learning curve for glitches is steep yet rewarding. It should really be respected more that with so few parts that we really use, and glitches like AGOD and the Rule of 7, that so many intricate and unique designs are made.

[Sage]

DSL2 is broken. If I could win BBEANS 6 when I really don't play DSL there's something wrong :) Which is why I like stock, cause only the best built bots win tournaments.

DSL 2 is broken, but LESS SO than stock. And you won because you built something good, but out of copying.

If I'm able to copy someone's bot (not saying I did, but for arguments sake) and then win, DSL is broken. The thing about stock is you have to be GOOD AT BUILDING to copy a GOOD BOT.

Also, stock isn't broken. Wedges don't rule. And honestly there aren't that many more parts to use in DSL, it just took us a lot longer to find the good ones.

[Scorpion]

Erm, I just find DSL more fun...

[DeadMetal]

I'll just say this: I got bored of the stock game after literally 3 days because it was too easy. If it wasn't for the DSL I'd be playing UT3 right now.

[Somebody]

Both are fun in different ways.

For me, DSL is fun by seeing robots torn to bits because they are covered in external extenders/armor/etc.
For me, Stock is fun by the satisfaction of building a good bot, and by epic moments like OOTAs and OHKOs.

[Scorpion]

I'll just say this: I got bored of the stock game after literally 3 days because it was too easy. If it wasn't for the DSL I'd be playing UT3 right now.

Well TBH the AI packs are made because of the easyness of the stock AI.

[Sage]

I'll just say this: I got bored of the stock game after literally 3 days because it was too easy. If it wasn't for the DSL I'd be playing UT3 right now.

Me. You. AI battle.

[Scorpion]

I'll just say this: I got bored of the stock game after literally 3 days because it was too easy. If it wasn't for the DSL I'd be playing UT3 right now.

Me. You. AI battle.

Don't do it Deadmetal

[JoeBlo]

Lols now we are talking about how good stock is, thought zogs original question was about realism rules?