Reputation Law Discussion Thread

[Naryar]

I have noticed, and I am not the only one, that reputation ratings and karma changes tend to be... somehow weird. The mere fact that FOTEPX has the same reputation than Sage should say something. And it's not the only example.

Let's take the last page of repups or repdowns, and my opinion on them :

NFX (+9/-0)   Noodle (+5/-3)      obsequious is a funny word   Today at 03:25:51 AM
What ? That reason doesn't make any sense ?
kill343gs (+13/-3)   Noodle (+5/-3)      stance works   Today at 12:30:32 AM
What ? Why would he rep him up ? Because of something he thought funny ?
NFX (+9/-0)   Ben Purse (+2/-11)      Do stop typing here ever   Yesterday at 03:21:27 PM
Mostly justified, since Ben Purse still is aggressive
Sonny_Resetti (+7/-0)   J (+6/-1)      Keeping my questions thread alive   July 01, 2012, 05:52:53 PM
Seems to be only self-centered. Doesn't make any sense.
J (+6/-1)   Naryar (+17/-8)      Pedobear post made me LOL   June 30, 2012, 12:39:39 PM
Unjustified, if we started to rep up because of people being funny...
J (+6/-1)   Meganerdbomb (+10/-1)      Obligatory Birthday Rep   June 29, 2012, 08:31:38 PM
Why would we give +1 rep because someone has his birthday ? Yet again unjustified. Rep isn't supposed to be earned just for pleasing people.
JoeBlo (+12/-0)   Naryar (+17/-8)      Good timing on that joke    June 29, 2012, 03:02:13 AM
Unjustified
ianh05 (+1/-0)   System32 (+2/-1)      name calling   June 26, 2012, 02:07:53 AM
Considering that in that game thread S32 has done some pretty heavy insulting, I think it's justified. He should have spent more time making points than insulting people
Naryar (+17/-8)   Gauche Suede (+0/-2)      STILL bad advice in DSL showcases !   June 25, 2012, 06:57:01 AM
Equivalent to smite, but permanent.
NFX (+9/-0)   Gropaga (+1/-3)      photopex   June 25, 2012, 01:24:55 AM
Totally unjustified
Naryar (+17/-8)   GoldenFox93 (+23/-23)      Posting ponies out of playground   June 24, 2012, 10:37:56 AM
Just like the former one, equivalent to smite but permanent.
Sonny_Resetti (+7/-0)   NFX (+9/-0)      Taking action against Naryar's hard-on for Belugaman   June 24, 2012, 06:37:23 AM
See next one
Sonny_Resetti (+7/-0)   Naryar (+17/-8)      Take Belugaman's dick out of your mouth, willya?   June 24, 2012, 05:26:21 AM
If you people didn't realized I was setting up this fanboy facade for laughs...
Sonny_Resetti (+7/-0)   Kossokei (+1/-0)      Making a pony OC with colors that aren't horrible   June 24, 2012, 03:54:15 AM
What ? Now rep should be given for posting PONIES, that we restrict to playground ? That not only does make no sense, but contraddicts the pony ban
Scrap Daddy (+12/-4)   GoldenFox93 (+23/-23)      asking for rep   June 22, 2012, 05:42:40 AM
I guess so... although I'm pretty sure I smote GF already for that so it was not justified maybe ?
Naryar (+17/-8)   Team 9 (+1/-8)      Frequently whining about playground.   June 21, 2012, 02:27:19 AM
Yet again justified, but still wondering about playground, should we give rep for events in Playground ?
Naryar (+17/-8)   Gauche Suede (+0/-2)      Repeatedly posting low quality advice in showcases.   June 21, 2012, 12:29:23 AM
I warned him once, and then decided to take matters in my own hands. Now he doesn't post sh**ty advice, so it worked well.
SKBT (+8/-0)   027 LB (+0/-23)      Pointless insults, verbal attacks, and tinfoil   June 20, 2012, 07:57:37 AM
Yeah I guess it is justified.
NFX (+9/-0)   027 LB (+0/-23)      Do try and not fly off the handle so much.   June 20, 2012, 06:53:07 AM
Same.
SKBT (+8/-0)   RPJK (+7/-8)         June 19, 2012, 08:14:42 AM
A rep action without any reason ? What does this mean ?

As you can see, this brings quite a bit of questions about the future rep laws. My opinion :

-No giving or taking rep when the guy hasn't done anything, in general. This includes repping up your friends, or repping down people you don't like.
-Giving rep should only be done when someone contributes to RA2 (especially interesting bots, winning or successfully hosting tournaments, AI packs, skin packs, modding, etc) OR helps the whole forum (defusing a flame war, mediating an argument, etc).
-Repdowns should only be earned by breaking laws, unless you have a very good reason. No repdowns on matter of opinion or because you hate someone.
-Always be wary of the other rep actions when you attempt a rep action on somebody. I've seen a n00b earn -3 rep for just a bump back in the day, it's just ridiculously exxagerated. Although some actions should give or take more than one rep, of course.
-Always give a reason for your rep actions, and a clear one. Failure to do so tends to end in confusion,
like this "Beavis" and "Butthead" rep actions back then. Besides, we can't judge if the rep action is right or wrong.

Extra opinions, debates and thoughts appreciated. Of course if this sparks a flame war, I will strike.

[GoldenFox93]

Scrap Daddy (+12/-4)   GoldenFox93 (+23/-23)      asking for rep   June 22, 2012, 05:42:40 AM
I guess so... although I'm pretty sure I smote GF already for that so it was not justified maybe ?

I accept your one Nary, but it's just this one I've got problems with. I've tried explaining to Scrap that I never actually asked for rep, but he never responded.

[Mr. AS]

remove rep system problem solved

no really i hate it when people do things just for rep like so:

There ya go, all on YT.

Thanks. First page updated.

No problem.

Can I get some +rep now, please?

[Naryar]

Scrap Daddy (+12/-4)   GoldenFox93 (+23/-23)      asking for rep   June 22, 2012, 05:42:40 AM
I guess so... although I'm pretty sure I smote GF already for that so it was not justified maybe ?

I accept your one Nary, but it's just this one I've got problems with. I've tried explaining to Scrap that I never actually asked for rep, but he never responded.

I know your grudge with scrap, and we'll solve it later after the rep laws have passed... if they stick.

remove rep system problem solved

no really i hate it when people do things just for rep like so:

There ya go, all on YT.

Thanks. First page updated.

No problem.

Can I get some +rep now, please?

So what if he did it only for rep ? He helped the youtube-dwelling RA2 community, that certainly warrants a rep-up.

Sure asking for rep should maybe warrant a rep-down therefore after, but FOTEPX earned a total of -1rep in total for doing a good thing ! That's ridiculous !

[Enigm@]

how about acams just removes reputation entirely so this isn't a damn problem.

Seriously, some members on here take reputation FAR more seriously than they should. I think that it IS justified if someone reps someone down with reasoning such as "that's a retarded post and you should stop posting" because even if they are being blunt, they're trying to get a point across, and with some members, repping them down is the only way to get a point across. I judge people on their character, not some silly number on a forum for an obscure game that's almost ten years old.

[Naryar]

I think that it IS justified if someone reps someone down with reasoning such as "that's a retarded post and you should stop posting" because even if they are being blunt, they're trying to get a point across, and with some members, repping them down is the only way to get a point across. I judge people on their character, not some silly number on a forum for an obscure game that's almost ten years old.

That's a fair point. I do believe before making a system of laws, we should define "reputation". Is it something RA2-related or not ?

[GarvinTheGreat]

I completely agree with Naryar. The rep system is out of whack. Before my rep was reset, I was on the most smited and most applauded at the same time, which dosn't make sense.

Maybe the rep system is due for a whole reset...?

[Mr. AS]

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So what if he did it only for rep ? He helped the youtube-dwelling RA2 community, that certainly warrants a rep-up.

but its the fact that he is ONLY doing it for rep that pisssssssssssssses me off.... he is not doing out of kindness or to be helpful or anything, only to earn brownie points with rep givers

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Sure asking for rep should maybe warrant a rep-down therefore after, but FOTEPX earned a total of -1rep in total for doing a good thing ! That's ridiculous !

oh OK i see what you mean

[Enigm@]

I think that it IS justified if someone reps someone down with reasoning such as "that's a retarded post and you should stop posting" because even if they are being blunt, they're trying to get a point across, and with some members, repping them down is the only way to get a point across. I judge people on their character, not some silly number on a forum for an obscure game that's almost ten years old.

That's a fair point. I do believe before making a system of laws, we should define "reputation". Is it something RA2-related or not ?

I believe it's more of a community related thing. I mean does how good or how bad your rep is affect how good of a builder you are ? No. Ergo, I don't think it should be RA2-related in that sense.

[Resetti's Replicas]

I feel really put on the spot.  You're acting like I did something wrong based on rules you just made up.  I thought the point of the rep system was to make it known when I thought somebody deserved applause.  It says "Applaud" does it not?  And I thought you were strongly in the camp of "don't give a toss about reputation."

If this is really such a big deal for you, is there not a feature where you can see what post the person was basing their applaud/smite on?

EDIT:  Oh oh, I know!  Let's make it a beauraucracy where everyone who currently has repping powers keeps them, but instead of directly changing rep, we instead PM a request to smite/applaud to ACAMS.  You should totally show him that idea, he'll love it.

[GarvinTheGreat]

I think it should be heavily based on RA2, as this is what the forum is about. I DO NOT think however, that it should be so heavily based on RA2 that one would just go "<insert name here> hasn't been building bots to my liking, i'll rep him down". I also think that rep downs should not only occur when law breaking, but aswell as the mood of the person. If someone has paticular negative and mean towards the commuinty, but not breaking laws, that person should still be repped down.

[Mecha]

Maybe the rep system is due for a whole reset...?

Nooo! then ill lose my positive rep. :P

[martymidget]

You could have a seperate rep system for RA2 doings and another for everything else. But this would annoy ACAMS, I expect :P

You could also just scrap it completely. Or leave it as it is. I for one don't actually care.

[GarvinTheGreat]

Maybe the rep system is due for a whole reset...?

Nooo! then ill lose my positive rep. :P

  My reasoning for that would be, that after the rep is reset, someone would go through all the active members and give them a preset reputation number. For example, Clickbeetle would have a paticular high preset number like a 10 because he contributes alot.

[Enigm@]

EDIT:  Oh oh, I know!  Let's make it a beauraucracy where everyone who currently has repping powers keeps them, but instead of directly changing rep, we instead PM a request to smite/applaud to ACAMS.  You should totally show him that idea, he'll love it.

Idea of the year lel 10/10

I think it should be heavily based on RA2, as this is what the forum is about. I DO NOT think however, that it should be so heavily based on RA2 that one would just go "<insert name here> hasn't been building bots to my liking, i'll rep him down". I also think that rep downs should not only occur when law breaking, but aswell as the mood of the person. If someone has paticular negative and mean towards the commuinty, but not breaking laws, that person should still be repped down.

The only problem with that is that it hasn't been a problem of people just repping down users because they haven't been building. If that was the case, I'd be in hot water right now with like -10 rep or something..

[Mecha]

Am i taken as active?
@GTG

[GarvinTheGreat]

@enigma True but maybe we should have a rule against repping down people just beacuse they don't build as often. Sure Clickbeetle dosn't post bots often, but that doesn't mean he should be repped down

@Mechadino  I don't know. I don't really know you that well

[Naryar]

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So what if he did it only for rep ? He helped the youtube-dwelling RA2 community, that certainly warrants a rep-up.

but its the fact that he is ONLY doing it for rep that pisssssssssssssses me off.... he is not doing out of kindness or to be helpful or anything, only to earn brownie points with rep givers

The fact that a good act is done out of a selfish purpose doesn't lessen the fact that it is a good act and it should be awarded accordingly.

Personally I would have repped up FOTEPX due to good act, and thereafter rep him down due to him asking for rep. But not just a -1rep for asking, as it happened.

Pointless you say ? Nope it isn't, if he interprets correctly the repup and repdown, next time he will do the same without asking for rep.

I feel really put on the spot.  You're acting like I did something wrong based on rules you just made up.

I'm feeling your last repdown of me is wrong, but then again I'm feeling the same way about most of the last repups I got. I must think more about it.

=I thought the point of the rep system was to make it known when I thought somebody deserved applause.  It says "Applaud" does it not?

If we keep it like that, we'll have totally inane repups and repdowns, circlejerking and stuff. People repping other people for no matter.

And I thought you were strongly in the camp of "don't give a toss about reputation."

If this is really such a big deal for you, is there not a feature where you can see what post the person was basing their applaud/smite on?

I changed my mind. And no, there is no such feature.

[Naryar]

I think it should be heavily based on RA2, as this is what the forum is about. I DO NOT think however, that it should be so heavily based on RA2 that one would just go "<insert name here> hasn't been building bots to my liking, i'll rep him down". I also think that rep downs should not only occur when law breaking, but aswell as the mood of the person. If someone has paticular negative and mean towards the commuinty, but not breaking laws, that person should still be repped down.

The only problem with that is that it hasn't been a problem of people just repping down users because they haven't been building. If that was the case, I'd be in hot water right now with like -10 rep or something..

Giving repdowns out of not building is nonsense, else most of the legends would have worse rep than the n00bs.

[GarvinTheGreat]

^^^ This