Just a big question.

[Scourge of teh Galaxy]

Where do you think you will be in 5 years?

Six feet under for twelve months plus

[R0B0SH4RK]

I know I exist.
I know I have thoughts.
I know my thoughts exist.
I know that anything I imagine is a thought.
Therefore, on some level, everything that I have the capacity to imagine exists.

So to answer the initial question: yes.

Oh, and how do you know? I now make the claim that you, in fact, do not exist. Prove me wrong.

This is a confusion in how "proof" works.  You cannot prove anything with itself.  That is circular reasoning (example:  I think therefore I exist, I exist therefore I can think).  To prove me to myself are both illogical and meaningless.  Normally I don't give 2 rats about logic, but proof is a logical process and only has power within the logical realm.

However, I can prove to YOU that I exist simply by responding.  By reading this I must exist at minimum as the information you just took in.

I'm confused as to who you're arguing against here: MNB or myself?

[Mr. AS]

earth

[123savethewhales]

I know I exist.
I know I have thoughts.
I know my thoughts exist.
I know that anything I imagine is a thought.
Therefore, on some level, everything that I have the capacity to imagine exists.

So to answer the initial question: yes.

Oh, and how do you know? I now make the claim that you, in fact, do not exist. Prove me wrong.

This is a confusion in how "proof" works.  You cannot prove anything with itself.  That is circular reasoning (example:  I think therefore I exist, I exist therefore I can think).  To prove me to myself are both illogical and meaningless.  Normally I don't give 2 rats about logic, but proof is a logical process and only has power within the logical realm.

However, I can prove to YOU that I exist simply by responding.  By reading this I must exist at minimum as the information you just took in.

I'm confused as to who you're arguing against here: MNB or myself?

MNB, because he asked how you know yourself exist, and demands proof.  To me, demanding proof in this context is pointless.  Proof is a tool, not a be all end of ticket to some tangible absolute truth.  This is why I always said logic is overrated.

Unless of course, you also find proofing to yourself that you exist important.  In that case I will be arguing against you as well.

[Meganerdbomb]

Affirmation of one's own existence can only be brought about through recognition by another in a struggle to the death.

[123savethewhales]

Affirmation of one's own existence can only be brought about through recognition by another in a struggle to the death.

You go do that with Naryar or something.  I for one do not care for my existence in words or definitions.  I like myself just fine as is.

[Meganerdbomb]

But right now you don't even know if you actually exist.

[123savethewhales]

But right now you don't even know if you actually exist.

Why should anyone give 2 rats about slapping the word existing on themselves?

I don't care if "anything" exists absolutely.  That's like some western religion cult stuff.....  I reject that definition as meaningless and bears no relevance to my life.  I define existence as a metaphor to my experiential sphere.  This begins from the core of self.  It then branches out through perception and filtered through intuitive rules automatically.  By the time information reach consciousness, where thoughts occurs, it already lose 3 layers of clarity.  Therefore I see no reason to doubt the self through stupid ideas like logic.

[Naryar]

Affirmation of one's own existence can only be brought about through recognition by another in a struggle to the death.

+manpoints

[123savethewhales]

Affirmation of one's own existence can only be brought about through recognition by another in a struggle to the death.

-manpoints

FIFY because he's all talk and no show.

I intend to live forever. So far, so good.

[Meganerdbomb]

Well, so far I'm still succeeding in my goal of living forever. Also the struggle to the death thing was from Hegel, and he realized that there was a problem with this in that once one actually kills the other, he loses the recognition and thus the self affirmation.

[123savethewhales]

Well, so far I'm still succeeding in my goal of living forever. Also the struggle to the death thing was from Hegel, and he realized that there was a problem with this in that once one actually kills the other, he loses the recognition and thus the self affirmation.

Which means, to earn manpoints, you have to enter countless mortal combats.....  That surely goes against your live forever philosophy.

[Meganerdbomb]

Not if I win.

[Team 9]

but can you win every fight?

[SKBT]

Next big question:
Where do you think you will be in 5 years?

In the State of Confusion

[123savethewhales]

Not if I win.

It isn't mortal combat if you don't risk dying.

[Meganerdbomb]

but can you win every fight?

It doesn't matter, if I am to be truly manly, I must enter every fight as if there is no way I can lose. My philosophy that I intend to live forever does not mean that I am afraid of dying, but rather that I live as if I never will.

[Scourge of teh Galaxy]

The one who lives forever never fears dying

[123savethewhales]

The one who lives forever never fears dying

Where did you get that idea?  Is that something out of Anime?

[Scourge of teh Galaxy]

The one who lives forever never fears dying

Where did you get that idea?  Is that something out of Anime?

Actually, it's a quote that was in my student diary back when I still attended high school.